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<p>I dont even have money for food/living.</p>
<p>i am working poor.</p>
<p>poverty line is 40 thousands turkish liras here..</p>
<p>but for a green card, I can carve mr leber or mr schaeffer
settlement-free!</p>
<p><u><b>JK!</b></u></p>
<p>lucifer told me to ask for green card, too.. ;P<br>
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<p>you guys become rich this way.. by playing penny pincher.</p>
<p>I asked global firms like Huawei, not some local company called
ADAMS!</p>
<p>RIB, FIB doesnt matter, internet is our future, so lets invest in
it.</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">29.09.2023 20:13 tarihinde Jason
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">You:
Give me this for free, give me that for free, sponsor me,
why isn’t HE giving me something for free, everyone else
should spend money to upgrade infrastructure to handle my
request for /27, but I shouldn’t have to pay for anything… <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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NANOG
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nanog-bounces+jasonbaugher=adamstel.com@nanog.org"><nanog-bounces+jasonbaugher=adamstel.com@nanog.org></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>VOLKAN SALIH<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 29, 2023 2:45 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Vasilenko Eduard
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:vasilenko.eduard@huawei.com"><vasilenko.eduard@huawei.com></a>; Owen DeLong
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:owen@delong.com"><owen@delong.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org">nanog@nanog.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: maximum ipv4 bgp prefix length of
/24 ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Many
people from big companies/networks are either member of
NANOG or following/reading NANOG from archives.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I
was also going to ask if anyone / any company can sponsor
(feeless) IPv4 /24 prefix for my educational research
network? (as209395)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">We
do not do or allow SPAM/spoofing and other illegal stuff,
we have RPKI records and check RPKI of BGP peers.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">We
also consider to have BGP session with HE.net and CogentCo
in the future, so we can re-announce their single-homed
prefixes to each other, as charity. For the good of
everyone on the internet..</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Mr.
M.Leber from He.net also stopped feeless BGP tunnel
service, as he has not seen financial benefit, while still
talking about community-give-back?! And he still seeks
feeless peering from CogentCo, you get what you
give.whatever goes around comes around</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Thanks
for reading, best regards and wishes</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">29.09.2023 09:57 tarihinde Vasilenko
Eduard yazdı:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Well,
it depends.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The
question below was evidently related to business.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">IPv6
does not have yet a normal way of multihoming for PA
prefixes.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">If
IETF (and some OTTs) would win blocking NAT66,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Then
/48 propoisiton is the proposition for PA (to support
multihoming).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Unfortunately,
it is at least a 10M global routing table as it has been
shown by Brian Carpenter.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Reminder,
The IPv6 scale on all routers is 2x smaller (if people
would use DHCP and longer than/64 then the scale would
drop 2x additionally).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hence,
/48 proposition may become 20x worse for scale than
proposed initially in this thread.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Eduard</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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NANOG [<a
href="mailto:nanog-bounces+vasilenko.eduard=huawei.com@nanog.org"
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Owen DeLong via NANOG<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 29, 2023 7:11 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> VOLKAN SALİH <a
href="mailto:volkan.salih.06@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><volkan.salih.06@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">nanog@nanog.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: maximum ipv4 bgp prefix length
of /24 ?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Wouldn’t /48s be a better solution to
this need?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Owen<o:p></o:p></p>
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VOLKAN SALİH <<a
href="mailto:volkan.salih.06@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">volkan.salih.06@gmail.com</a>>
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<p>hello,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I believe, ISPs should also allow ipv4
prefixes with length between /25-/27 instead
of limiting maximum length to /24..<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I also believe that RIRs and LIRs should
allocate /27s which has 32 IPv4 address.
considering IPv4 world is now mostly NAT'ed,
32 IPv4s are sufficient for most of the small
and medium sized organizations and also home
office workers like youtubers, and
professional gamers and webmasters!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>It is because BGP research and experiment
networks can not get /24 due to high IPv4
prices, but they have to get an IPv4 prefix to
learn BGP in IPv4 world.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>What do you think about this?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>What could be done here?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Is it unacceptable; considering most big
networks that do full-table-routing also use
multi-core routers with lots of RAM? those
would probably handle /27s and while small
networks mostly use default routing, it should
be reasonable to allow /25-/27?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Thanks for reading, regards..<o:p></o:p></p>
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