<div dir="auto">Hi Brandon</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">“<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"> the entire ASN cannot be "blocked" just because there is a complaint on one IP address</span>”</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Why not? They are being advertised by the same ASN so at least nominally they are under common administrative control. Therefore if that administrative control is not taking responsibility for complaints they may be treated as a bad actor on the internet. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Also people chose to block / rate limit / etc things on their networks for whatever reason makes sense to them. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I think if you have a customer or partner who doesn’t look after scams or worse coming from their network you may need to consider disconnecting them if you are not willing to be marked as the same bad actor for at least passively enabling them. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This could still happen if they had their own ASN with their own netblocks because if you are still providing transit to them and take no action you may again be flagged as a bad actor. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">We all have a role to play keeping our networks clean and positive members of the internet community. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Might be time to have your customer / partner clean up their actions in response to complaints or ensure that you don’t need a good reputation with spamhaus to operate. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards</div><div dir="auto">Alexander</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 21 Mar 2023 at 04:00, Brandon Zhi <<a href="mailto:Brandon@huize.asia">Brandon@huize.asia</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="auto">Well, those prefixes are not for their VPS hosting service (which cause a lot of complaint). Just like there are many IP addresses under the telecommunication company, the entire ASN cannot be "blocked" just because there is a complaint on one IP address</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On 2023年3月20日周一 下午10:50 Mike Hammett <<a href="mailto:nanog@ics-il.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">nanog@ics-il.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">If someone tries to break into my house over and over, I won't act any different if they show up wearing different clothes.<br><br><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span name="x" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'times new roman';font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'times new roman';font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:"times new roman";font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important;color:rgb(0,0,0)">-----</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'times new roman';font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-family:"times new roman";font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Mike Hammett</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'times new roman';font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><a href="http://www.ics-il.com/" style="font-family:"times new roman";font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-altern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 href="mailto:Brandon@huize.asia" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif">Brandon@huize.asia</a>> wrote:<br>
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> I don't think any ISP would reject an IP that is on the Spamhaus list.<br>
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you, clearly, have been living under several rocks for a very long time.<br>
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</blockquote></div></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>Regards<br>Alexander<br><br>Alexander Neilson<br>Neilson Productions Limited<br><br><a href="mailto:alexander@neilson.net.nz" target="_blank">alexander@neilson.net.nz</a><br>021 329 681</div><div>022 456 2326</div></div></div>