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<p class="MsoNormal">I have a /24 that I would love to advertise as 2 /25’s, but the affects on everyone else is just too much. I take full routes from 4 providers, and I certainly don’t want to add over 100K. Carriers and enterprises have to pay a lot for
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’m in the alarm industry and they still haven’t started adopting IPv6. If we allow /25 subnets, some industries will never change. In a sense, we have to “force” them to change.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> NANOG <nanog-bounces+mbolton=holmeselectricsecurity.com@nanog.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike Hammett<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 26, 2023 8:52 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Chris <chris@noskillz.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> nanog@nanog.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Smaller than a /24 for BGP?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Not taking a position either way if smaller v4 prefixes is good or bad.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">"Chris" <<a href="mailto:chris@noskillz.com">chris@noskillz.com</a>><br>
<b>To: </b>"Justin Wilson (Lists)" <<a href="mailto:lists@mtin.net">lists@mtin.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org">nanog@nanog.org</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, January 25, 2023 2:24:29 PM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: Smaller than a /24 for BGP?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Justin Wilson<br>
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