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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">21.08.2022 04:28 tarihinde
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<div> On Saturday, August 20, 2022, 06:01:34 p.m. PDT, Peter
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<div>Removing Cogent personnel and peering departments
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<p>yea whatever..</p>
<p> its upto mike leber and dave schaeffer to
decide. they can either accept or reject the
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<p>I have been always believing content
creator/provider should pay expenses (at least
excess traffic).</p>
<p>because they put their server in some
datacenter and reach all of the internet..
their backbone expenses are less..</p>
<p>i can understand that todays datacenters
including <a shape="rect"
href="http://he.net" target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer noopener"
moz-do-not-send="true">he.net</a> are
interested to participate in 200-300 IXPs.</p>
<p>well that acceptable. it should be considered
too</p>
<p>so i would offer both companies 3 cent per
mbps for excess traffic.</p>
<p>ok bye</p>
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<div>21.08.2022 03:25 tarihinde Forrest
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<div>But that traffic was likely requested by
and for the benefit of the person the
traffic is being sent to.
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<div>I've always found the argument that the
quantity of traffic is the indicator of
who should pay to be questionable. </div>
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<div>If I'm an end user on an eyeball user
and request a big download or streaming
from a provider, isn't it me that caused
that traffic to flow? One could argue
that I am the one that needs to pay. </div>
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<div>On the other hand, one could argue that
it's the provider of the content that I
requested that needs to pay, since it's
their content which is being distributed.</div>
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<div>When you get to peering between two
providers it's almost impossible to decide
who needs to pay. As I mentioned above,
passing that traffic is actually to the
benefit of both providers.</div>
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<div>About the only settlement I could see
is where one of the providers is bearing
most of the transport costs. For example
a regional provider only peering at one
exchange point might expect some
settlement costs with a big international
provider that is effectively carrying
their traffic both directions around the
globe. But the quantity of that type of
traffic is likely minimal in the grand
scheme of things. Even then one might
argue that connectivity to the small
provider is still valuable to the
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<p>the more uploading side pays each
month for the excess amount.</p>
<p>as content networks are supposed to
pay expenses.</p>
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<p>what do you think?</p>
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<div>19.08.2022 18:28 tarihinde Mike
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problem them becomes *who* pays?
When do the tables turn as to who
pays?
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<div>The alpha gets paid and the
beta does the paying?</div>
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<div>The network with more POPs gets
paid?<br clear="none">
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The network with more downstream
ASes gets paid?</div>
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<div>Is it the same for IPv4 as it
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<b>To: </b>"Rubens Kuhl" <a
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<p>this is 50/50 situation.
nobody has to peer for free.</p>
<p>but everyone can.</p>
<p>lets just say above 1:1 ratio
<a shape="rect"
href="http://he.net"
target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer noopener"
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pays their own ip transit
price to cogent for paid
peering excess amount and both
sides monitor traffic</p>
<p>we can solve this issue by
becoming middlemen
worldwide...</p>
<p>both operators are cheap and
they could all compete in
quality.</p>
<p>level3 pays comcast
reasonable (cheap) price
(under NDA maybe?). why
wouldnt mleber?</p>
<p>but to make it fair, as <a
shape="rect"
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target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer noopener"
moz-do-not-send="true">he.net</a>
becomes ww tier-1 operator
day-by-day, lets just limit
pricing to excess amount of
traffic</p>
<p>thanks for reading</p>
<p>would appreciate your support</p>
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<pre>OTOH, knowing that Cogent loves splitting the global Internet is onegood reason to not contract their services.I think they sell traffic to their private Intranet. Which is huge,but doesn't encompass the whole Internet.RubensOn Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 12:04 PM VOLKAN KIRIK <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:volkirik@gmail.com" href="mailto:volkirik@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" moz-do-not-send="true"><volkirik@gmail.com></a> wrote:</pre>
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<pre>lets just say cogent gives 400GE in each pop they have in common with <a shape="rect" href="http://he.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" moz-do-not-send="true">he.net</a> for free.BUT they will rate-limit <a shape="rect" href="http://he.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" moz-do-not-send="true">he.net</a> links to previous month's 95th percentile upload or download (which is minimum) rate (each month)to make ratio 1:1... to make downstream and upstream traffics fair...okay?fine?come on people,segmentation is bad.</pre>
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