<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">That doesn’t seem very offlist…</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Aug 20, 2022, at 19:12, VOLKAN KIRIK <volkirik@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
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<p>you can always be at my service.</p>
<p>as i am the god.</p>
<p>working 7/24 at no markup.</p>
<p>+905520094078</p>
<p>god's hotline. IM always responded. calls maybe.<br>
</p>
<p>i mean the allah.</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">21.08.2022 05:06 tarihinde
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<div> I am still all riled up. I can't get over him sending that
message. I'm glad I want to check out his linkedin profile.<br>
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Happy I could be of service to you. :)<br>
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<div> On Saturday, August 20, 2022, 07:00:15 p.m. PDT, VOLKAN
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<p>if you are happy i am happy.</p>
<p>i dont care negative people much.</p>
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<div> Hey Volkan,<br clear="none">
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I just emailed the list moderator to let them know
it was optional to<br clear="none">
post my message to the list. As long as you know
some twit with<br clear="none">
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<div> On Saturday, August 20, 2022, 06:50:05 p.m.
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<p>lol<br clear="none">
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<div> Good thing they have someone with a
dish washing skill-set to clean up their
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<div>Removing Cogent personnel
and peering departments from
this thread as I'm sure they
don't appreciate the
nonsense coming from this
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Sat, Aug 20, 2022 at 8:51
PM VOLKAN KIRIK <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:volkirik@gmail.com" href="mailto:volkirik@gmail.com" class="yiv8576667206moz-txt-link-freetext
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<p>yea whatever..</p>
<p> its upto mike leber
and dave schaeffer to
decide. they can
either accept or
reject the solution<br clear="none">
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<p>I have been always
believing content
creator/provider
should pay expenses
(at least excess
traffic).</p>
<p>because they put
their server in some
datacenter and reach
all of the internet..
their backbone
expenses are less..</p>
<p>i can understand that
todays datacenters
including <a shape="rect" href="http://he.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer
noopener" moz-do-not-send="true">he.net</a>
are interested to
participate in 200-300
IXPs.</p>
<p>well that acceptable.
it should be
considered too</p>
<p>so i would offer both
companies 3 cent per
mbps for excess
traffic.</p>
<p>ok bye</p>
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<div>21.08.2022 03:25
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Christian (List
Account) yazdı:<br clear="none">
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<div>But that traffic
was likely requested
by and for the
benefit of the
person the traffic
is being sent to.
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<div>I've always
found the argument
that the quantity
of traffic is the
indicator of who
should pay to be
questionable. </div>
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<div>If I'm an end
user on an eyeball
user and request a
big download or
streaming from a
provider, isn't it
me that caused
that traffic to
flow? One could
argue that I am
the one that needs
to pay. </div>
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<div>On the other
hand, one could
argue that it's
the provider of
the content that I
requested that
needs to pay,
since it's their
content which is
being distributed.</div>
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<div>When you get to
peering between
two providers it's
almost impossible
to decide who
needs to pay.
As I mentioned
above, passing
that traffic is
actually to the
benefit of both
providers.</div>
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<div>About the only
settlement I could
see is where one
of the providers
is bearing most of
the transport
costs. For
example a regional
provider only
peering at one
exchange point
might expect some
settlement costs
with a big
international
provider that is
effectively
carrying their
traffic both
directions around
the globe. But
the quantity of
that type of
traffic is likely
minimal in the
grand scheme of
things. Even
then one might
argue that
connectivity to
the small provider
is still valuable
to the customers
of the large
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Fri, Aug 19, 2022,
9:32 AM VOLKAN
KIRIK <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:volkirik@gmail.com" href="mailto:volkirik@gmail.com" class="yiv8576667206moz-txt-link-freetext
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<p>the more
uploading side
pays each
month for the
excess amount.</p>
<p>as content
networks are
supposed to
pay expenses.</p>
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<p>what do you
think?</p>
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<div>19.08.2022
18:28
tarihinde Mike
Hammett yazdı:<br clear="none">
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<div style="font-family:arial,
helvetica,
sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);">The
problem them
becomes *who*
pays? When do
the tables
turn as to who
pays?
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<div>The alpha
gets paid and
the beta does
the paying?</div>
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<div>The
network with
more POPs gets
paid?<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
The network
with more
downstream
ASes gets
paid?</div>
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<div>Is it the
same for IPv4
as it is for
IPv6?<br clear="none">
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</b>"VOLKAN
KIRIK" <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:volkirik@gmail.com" href="mailto:volkirik@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer
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<b>To: </b>"Rubens
Kuhl" <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:rubensk@gmail.com" href="mailto:rubensk@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer
noopener" moz-do-not-send="true"><rubensk@gmail.com></a><br clear="none">
<b>Cc: </b><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" class="yiv8576667206moz-txt-link-freetext
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<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:dschaeffer@cogentco.com" href="mailto:dschaeffer@cogentco.com" class="yiv8576667206moz-txt-link-freetext
moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" moz-do-not-send="true">dschaeffer@cogentco.com</a>,
<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:peering@cogentco.com" href="mailto:peering@cogentco.com" class="yiv8576667206moz-txt-link-freetext
moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" moz-do-not-send="true">peering@cogentco.com</a><br clear="none">
<b>Sent: </b>Friday,
August 19,
2022 10:22:00
AM<br clear="none">
<b>Subject: </b>Re:
cogent and
henet not
peering<br clear="none">
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<p>this is
50/50
situation.
nobody has to
peer for free.</p>
<p>but
everyone can.</p>
<p>lets just
say above 1:1
ratio <a shape="rect" href="http://he.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" moz-do-not-send="true">he.net</a>
pays their own
ip transit
price to
cogent for
paid peering
excess amount
and both sides
monitor
traffic</p>
<p>we can
solve this
issue by
becoming
middlemen
worldwide...</p>
<p>both
operators are
cheap and they
could all
compete in
quality.</p>
<p>level3 pays
comcast
reasonable
(cheap) price
(under NDA
maybe?). why
wouldnt
mleber?</p>
<p>but to make
it fair, as <a shape="rect" href="http://he.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" moz-do-not-send="true">he.net</a>
becomes ww
tier-1
operator
day-by-day,
lets just
limit pricing
to excess
amount of
traffic</p>
<p>thanks for
reading</p>
<p>would
appreciate
your support</p>
<p><br clear="none">
</p>
<div>19.08.2022
18:09
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yazdı:<br clear="none">
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<pre>OTOH, knowing that Cogent loves splitting the global Internet is onegood reason to not contract their services.I think they sell traffic to their private Intranet. Which is huge,but doesn't encompass the whole Internet.RubensOn Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 12:04 PM VOLKAN KIRIK <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:volkirik@gmail.com" href="mailto:volkirik@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" moz-do-not-send="true"><volkirik@gmail.com></a> wrote:</pre>
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<pre>lets just say cogent gives 400GE in each pop they have in common with <a shape="rect" href="http://he.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" moz-do-not-send="true">he.net</a> for free.BUT they will rate-limit <a shape="rect" href="http://he.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener" moz-do-not-send="true">he.net</a> links to previous month's 95th percentile upload or download (which is minimum) rate (each month)to make ratio 1:1... to make downstream and upstream traffics fair...okay?fine?come on people,segmentation is bad.</pre>
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