<div dir="auto">But that traffic was likely requested by and for the benefit of the person the traffic is being sent to.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I've always found the argument that the quantity of traffic is the indicator of who should pay to be questionable. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If I'm an end user on an eyeball user and request a big download or streaming from a provider, isn't it me that caused that traffic to flow? One could argue that I am the one that needs to pay. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">On the other hand, one could argue that it's the provider of the content that I requested that needs to pay, since it's their content which is being distributed.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">When you get to peering between two providers it's almost impossible to decide who needs to pay. As I mentioned above, passing that traffic is actually to the benefit of both providers.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">About the only settlement I could see is where one of the providers is bearing most of the transport costs. For example a regional provider only peering at one exchange point might expect some settlement costs with a big international provider that is effectively carrying their traffic both directions around the globe. But the quantity of that type of traffic is likely minimal in the grand scheme of things. Even then one might argue that connectivity to the small provider is still valuable to the customers of the large provider.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 19, 2022, 9:32 AM VOLKAN KIRIK <<a href="mailto:volkirik@gmail.com">volkirik@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<p>the more uploading side pays each month for the excess amount.</p>
<p>as content networks are supposed to pay expenses.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>what do you think?</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<div>19.08.2022 18:28 tarihinde Mike Hammett
yazdı:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000">The problem them becomes *who* pays? When
do the tables turn as to who pays?
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The alpha gets paid and the beta does the paying?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The network with more POPs gets paid?<br>
<br>
The network with more downstream ASes gets paid?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Is it the same for IPv4 as it is for IPv6?<br>
<br>
<div><span name="x"></span><br>
<br>
<span>-----</span><br>
<span>Mike Hammett</span><br>
<a href="http://www.ics-il.com/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">Intelligent Computing Solutions</a><br>
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png" style="border:0pt none"></a><a href="https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png" style="border:0pt none"></a><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png" style="border:0pt none"></a><a href="https://twitter.com/ICSIL" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png" style="border:0pt none"></a><br>
<a href="http://www.midwest-ix.com/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">Midwest Internet Exchange</a><br>
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png" style="border:0pt none"></a><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png" style="border:0pt none"></a><a href="https://twitter.com/mdwestix" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png" style="border:0pt none"></a><br>
<a href="http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">The Brothers WISP</a><br>
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png" style="border:0pt none"></a><a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png" style="border:0pt none"></a><span name="x"></span><br>
</div>
<hr id="m_-2166109507843361046zwchr">
<div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><b>From:
</b>"VOLKAN KIRIK" <a href="mailto:volkirik@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><volkirik@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>To: </b>"Rubens Kuhl" <a href="mailto:rubensk@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><rubensk@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">nanog@nanog.org</a>, <a href="mailto:dschaeffer@cogentco.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">dschaeffer@cogentco.com</a>,
<a href="mailto:peering@cogentco.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">peering@cogentco.com</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Friday, August 19, 2022 10:22:00 AM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: cogent and henet not peering<br>
<br>
<p>this is 50/50 situation. nobody has to peer for free.</p>
<p>but everyone can.</p>
<p>lets just say above 1:1 ratio <a href="http://he.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">he.net</a> pays their own ip
transit price to cogent for paid peering excess amount and
both sides monitor traffic</p>
<p>we can solve this issue by becoming middlemen
worldwide...</p>
<p>both operators are cheap and they could all compete in
quality.</p>
<p>level3 pays comcast reasonable (cheap) price (under NDA
maybe?). why wouldnt mleber?</p>
<p>but to make it fair, as <a href="http://he.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">he.net</a> becomes ww tier-1 operator
day-by-day, lets just limit pricing to excess amount of
traffic</p>
<p>thanks for reading</p>
<p>would appreciate your support</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<div>19.08.2022 18:09 tarihinde
Rubens Kuhl yazdı:<br>
</div>
<blockquote>
<pre>OTOH, knowing that Cogent loves splitting the global Internet is one
good reason to not contract their services.
I think they sell traffic to their private Intranet. Which is huge,
but doesn't encompass the whole Internet.
Rubens
On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 12:04 PM VOLKAN KIRIK <a href="mailto:volkirik@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><volkirik@gmail.com></a> wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote>
<pre>lets just say cogent gives 400GE in each pop they have in common with <a href="http://he.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">he.net</a> for free.
BUT they will rate-limit <a href="http://he.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">he.net</a> links to previous month's 95th percentile upload or download (which is minimum) rate (each month)
to make ratio 1:1... to make downstream and upstream traffics fair...
okay?
fine?
come on people,
segmentation is bad.
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</div>
<br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</blockquote></div>