<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000'>The problem them becomes *who* pays? 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<p>this is 50/50 situation. nobody has to peer for free.</p>
<p>but everyone can.</p>
<p>lets just say above 1:1 ratio he.net pays their own ip transit
price to cogent for paid peering excess amount and both sides
monitor traffic</p>
<p>we can solve this issue by becoming middlemen worldwide...</p>
<p>both operators are cheap and they could all compete in quality.</p>
<p>level3 pays comcast reasonable (cheap) price (under NDA maybe?).
why wouldnt mleber?</p>
<p>but to make it fair, as he.net becomes ww tier-1 operator
day-by-day, lets just limit pricing to excess amount of traffic</p>
<p>thanks for reading</p>
<p>would appreciate your support</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">19.08.2022 18:09 tarihinde Rubens Kuhl
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre">OTOH, knowing that Cogent loves splitting the global Internet is one
good reason to not contract their services.
I think they sell traffic to their private Intranet. Which is huge,
but doesn't encompass the whole Internet.
Rubens
On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 12:04 PM VOLKAN KIRIK <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:volkirik@gmail.com" target="_blank"><volkirik@gmail.com></a> wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre">lets just say cogent gives 400GE in each pop they have in common with he.net for free.
BUT they will rate-limit he.net links to previous month's 95th percentile upload or download (which is minimum) rate (each month)
to make ratio 1:1... to make downstream and upstream traffics fair...
okay?
fine?
come on people,
segmentation is bad.
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