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<p class="MsoNormal">�thought that google fi was a neutral pipe.� <br>
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There is nothing neutral about Google or any of companies that are their competitors. They all have some sort of agenda which is to do what�s best for them or what they *<b>think</b>* is best for everyone else. Even if it�s not.<br>
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�are google, like fb, recording and retaining direct messages and sms/mms contents�
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They may tell you they are not but there is no doubt in my mind they are and if they got caught their response would be �Oopsie, my bad�.<o:p></o:p></p>
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-richey<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">NANOG <nanog-bounces+richey.goldberg=gmail.com@nanog.org> on behalf of Mark Seiden <mis@seiden.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, August 16, 2022 at 3:48 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Jon Lewis <jlewis@lewis.org><br>
<b>Cc: </b>nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: Google Abuse<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">well, that isn�t exactly true.
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ALL of the fraudsters, business email compromisers, spoofing accounts are now from gmail and as far as i can tell,<br>
there is no evidence that they do ANYTHING about them. i recently gave a talk on fraudulent restaurant reviews<br>
in google maps. easy for humans to spot. (hundreds of machine learning engineers at google. what are they doing?)<br>
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but here�s a counterexample� not that it serves anyone particularly well:<br>
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a colleague of mine (ex googler, superb engineer, with a brother who is a current googler) had ALL of his google accounts<br>
deactivated recently. a google fi customer, he used it to send an mms photo of a rash on his toddler�s crotch to his wife,
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so she could upload it (using https) to their pediatrician�s portal for diagnosis.<br>
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a few days later the cops were at the door with a search warrant. the cops agreed it was a false positive, but despite that,<br>
the accounts were deactivated (including gmail), seemingly permanently, despite multiple attempts to revive it and attempts<br>
at escalation.<br>
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i was actually surprised. i thought that google fi was a neutral pipe.<br>
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who knew that google mines mms images for pink parts?<br>
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do the other cell phone companies do the same? (not that i particularly need to test it�)<br>
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(is there any transparency here regarding the scanning and retention policy for sms and mms contents?)<br>
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which raises, in the post-boggs world, another question:<br>
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are google, like fb, recording and retaining direct messages and sms/mms contents, so they can turn them over
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to law enforcement who have become �interested" in who was pregnant and who stopped being pregnant?<br>
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<a href="https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7zevd/this-is-the-data-facebook-gave-police-to-prosecute-a-teenager-for-abortion">https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7zevd/this-is-the-data-facebook-gave-police-to-prosecute-a-teenager-for-abortion</a><br>
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(once again, there ain�t no sanity clause.)<br>
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> On Aug 16, 2022, at 10:43 AM, Jon Lewis <jlewis@lewis.org> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> On Tue, 16 Aug 2022, Cristian Cardoso wrote:<br>
> <br>
>> Hi<br>
>> I'm receiving thousands of requests from a Google Clou VM on my network, I've already sent reports to Abuse from GCP, but without success, does anyone happen to have a Google abuse<br>
>> contact to indicate?<br>
> <br>
> There is no Google abuse. It's just traffic you don't want that they don't care about. Block it at your edge and move on.<br>
> <br>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
> Jon Lewis, MCP :) | I route<br>
> StackPath, Sr. Neteng | therefore you are<br>
> _________ <a href="http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp">http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp</a> for PGP public key_________<o:p></o:p></p>
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