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<p>the companies are here to trade, charge prices for their
services.... so why blame cogent for doing what they supposed to
be doing?<br>
</p>
<p> why did hurricane stop BGP tunnel service? and started asking
for 500 usd/month for peering? expense of BGP servers? or did they
realize ipv6 prefixes does not cost MRC, so their network peers
are not serious business.<br>
</p>
<p>why did Google start charging for cloud gigabytes?</p>
<p>if <a href="http://he.net" target="_blank">he.net</a> opens free BGP tunnel service back; and also announce
full transit routes on IXPs, thats just zero (payback)...</p>
<p>if they provide free ip transit to everyone; I would think that
cogent should provide free network access to them...</p>
<p>if google doesnt charge for traffic in cloud services, then they
will be largest in my eyes.<br>
</p>
<p>if cogent asks for a price, then they have to pay (to become
tier1)... simple as that. or they could stay as tier-2 as long as
they want. thats called free as in freedom. not as in price.</p></div></blockquote><div>In reality "tier 1" vs "tier 2" is about as meaningful as not at all. At the end of the day, building a network has a variety of costs associated with it. Some folks bury fiber, and some folks lease it from them. Some folks peer on route servers at popular exchanges, and others don't. When customers are seeking transit services, they go with a provider who is on-net where it counts for them, can provide the capacity they need at a reasonable price, and often also consider quality of that company's services and reputation. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
<p><b>doesnt level3 pay comcast money for paid-peering?</b><br>
</p>
<p>building eyeball network, enabling fiber connectivity in
buildings has much more meaning to me... <br>
</p>
<p>so honestly i am fine with segmented ipv6 internet. i would just
not prefer <a href="http://he.net" target="_blank">he.net</a> in my IP transit blend, as i do not have to
respect crying beggars.... and i could choose telia+cogent.</p></div></blockquote><div>Many folks avoid Cogent for a variety of reasons, but in general their policies towards congestion and their marketing practices have, at various times, caused large segments of the community to speak up. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
<p><a href="http://he.net" target="_blank">he.net</a> guys are just charging you money for dumping your traffic
in IX Points, that you can do yourself, be eyeball or content
network..<br></p></div></blockquote><div>Can you prove in any meaningful way that this is less optimal or even substantively different from what anyone who provides full table transit service does? </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><p>
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<p>btw, losts of useless prefixes... think an asn has 1000 ipv6
prefixes but less than 1 ge traffic, while there are networks
exceeding 10ge with just one prefix. ipv6 nat is spreading. just
like ipv4 nat.</p></div></blockquote><div>What? IPv6 NAT? Please provide data to support the claim that substantial numbers of people are adopting NAT for IPv6? </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
<p>could you analyze traffic amount of ASNs? no. then dont fuckin
call them largest or i will kick your monkey ass.</p></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
<p>i am the god!</p></div></blockquote><div>This is not appropriate behavior for NANOG's mailing list, imho. I'm not sure what makes you think utilizing words like this is going to help your point, but I guarantee it isn't. </div><div>And for the record, lots of folks here analyze traffic by AS source. </div><div><br></div><div>- Matt</div><div><br></div></div></div>
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