<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000'><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Here's the list of CLLI codes where you're no longer able to order dark fiber:</span></font><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">https://www.fcc.gov/clli-code-list</span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">It seems odd as I look through there, finding COs with no competitive fiber and yet, they're on the list.<br></span></font><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br><div><span name="x"></span><br><br>-----<br>Mike Hammett<br>Intelligent Computing Solutions<br>http://www.ics-il.com<br><br>Midwest-IX<br>http://www.midwest-ix.com<span name="x"></span><br></div><br><hr id="zwchr"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Paul Timmins" <paul@telcodata.us><br><b>To: </b>nanog@nanog.org<br><b>Sent: </b>Thursday, July 14, 2022 1:45:37 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: Frontier Dark Fiber<br><br>
<p>Your rights under the ICA are dead. Since 2002 you were only able
to order it if one end was in a tier 3 wirecenter, and it was
killed in 2021 as an orderable product.<br>
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<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/01/08/2020-25254/modernizing-unbundling-and-resale-requirements-in-an-era-of-next-generation-networks-and-services" target="_blank">https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/01/08/2020-25254/modernizing-unbundling-and-resale-requirements-in-an-era-of-next-generation-networks-and-services</a></p>
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<p>There's an 8 year transition for existing unbundled dark fiber
(February 28, 2029). Dark fiber loops were dead in 2002 under the
TRRO.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/13/22 07:45, Mike Hammett wrote:<br>
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10pt; color: #000000">Oh, and I forgot to mention that my ICA
has it.<br>
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<div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From:
</b>"Mike Hammett" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nanog@ics-il.net" target="_blank"><nanog@ics-il.net></a><br>
<b>To: </b><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" target="_blank">nanog@nanog.org</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, July 13, 2022 6:40:47 AM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Frontier Dark Fiber<br>
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<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;
font-size: 10pt; color: #000000"><span style="font-size:
13.3333px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">I'm
looking for a contact at Frontier that can discuss dark
fiber.</span>
<div style="font-size: 13.3333px; background-color: rgb(255,
255, 255);"><br>
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<div style="font-size: 13.3333px; background-color: rgb(255,
255, 255);">My current account exec says they don't offer
it, yet prior conversations with him and a previous SE
revealed that they very much did (just didn't have
availability on the paths I wanted at the time).</div>
<div style="font-size: 13.3333px; background-color: rgb(255,
255, 255);"><br>
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<div style="font-size: 13.3333px; background-color: rgb(255,
255, 255);">Their web site highlights it fairly proudly.</div>
<div style="font-size: 13.3333px; background-color: rgb(255,
255, 255);"><br>
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255, 255);"><br>
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<div style="font-size: 13.3333px; background-color: rgb(255,
255, 255);">I'm aware that availability varies.</div>
<div style="font-size: 13.3333px; background-color: rgb(255,
255, 255);"><br>
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<div style="font-size: 13.3333px; background-color: rgb(255,
255, 255);">I'm aware that they likely don't want to sell
it.</div>
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