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<p>Your rights under the ICA are dead. Since 2002 you were only able
to order it if one end was in a tier 3 wirecenter, and it was
killed in 2021 as an orderable product.<br>
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<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/01/08/2020-25254/modernizing-unbundling-and-resale-requirements-in-an-era-of-next-generation-networks-and-services">https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/01/08/2020-25254/modernizing-unbundling-and-resale-requirements-in-an-era-of-next-generation-networks-and-services</a></p>
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<p>There's an 8 year transition for existing unbundled dark fiber
(February 28, 2029). Dark fiber loops were dead in 2002 under the
TRRO.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/13/22 07:45, Mike Hammett wrote:<br>
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10pt; color: #000000">Oh, and I forgot to mention that my ICA
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</b>"Mike Hammett" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nanog@ics-il.net"><nanog@ics-il.net></a><br>
<b>To: </b><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org">nanog@nanog.org</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, July 13, 2022 6:40:47 AM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Frontier Dark Fiber<br>
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<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;
font-size: 10pt; color: #000000"><span style="font-size:
13.3333px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">I'm
looking for a contact at Frontier that can discuss dark
fiber.</span>
<div style="font-size: 13.3333px; background-color: rgb(255,
255, 255);"><br>
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<div style="font-size: 13.3333px; background-color: rgb(255,
255, 255);">My current account exec says they don't offer
it, yet prior conversations with him and a previous SE
revealed that they very much did (just didn't have
availability on the paths I wanted at the time).</div>
<div style="font-size: 13.3333px; background-color: rgb(255,
255, 255);"><br>
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<div style="font-size: 13.3333px; background-color: rgb(255,
255, 255);">Their web site highlights it fairly proudly.</div>
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255, 255);"><br>
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<div style="font-size: 13.3333px; background-color: rgb(255,
255, 255);">I'm aware that availability varies.</div>
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255, 255);"><br>
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<div style="font-size: 13.3333px; background-color: rgb(255,
255, 255);">I'm aware that they likely don't want to sell
it.</div>
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