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</head><body text="#000000"><span>Mike Hammett wrote on 6/24/2022 1:22
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color: #000000">It's DirecTV that became part of AT&T, but now
they're separated again.<br><br>Dish Network is building a nation-wide
terrestrial <span style="font-size: 10pt;">mobile network. Supposed to
be the new #4 provider.</span><div><br></div></div>
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Looks like their plans just hit a snag -<br>
D.C. court confirms Dish cheated on 5G spectrum bidding, revokes $3.4
billion in credits<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.phonearena.com/news/dish-bidding-5g-spectrum-credits-appeal_id140935">https://www.phonearena.com/news/dish-bidding-5g-spectrum-credits-appeal_id140935</a><br>
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Court decision on the spectrum was decided 6/21:<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/internet/opinions.nsf/21AC89289C589E4F85258868004F9B7F/$file/18-1209-1951147.pdf">https://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/internet/opinions.nsf/21AC89289C589E4F85258868004F9B7F/$file/18-1209-1951147.pdf</a><br>
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style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From:
</b>"Owen DeLong via NANOG" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org"><nanog@nanog.org></a><br><b>To: </b>"Michael
Thomas" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mike@mtcc.com"><mike@mtcc.com></a><br><b>Cc: </b><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org">nanog@nanog.org</a><br><b>Sent:
</b>Friday, June 24, 2022 3:14:33 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: What say
you, nanog re: Starlink vs 5G?<br><br><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote
class=""><div class="">On Jun 24, 2022, at 13:12 , Michael Thomas <<a
href="mailto:mike@mtcc.com" class="" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">mike@mtcc.com</a>> wrote:</div><br
class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><br style="caret-color:
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normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing:
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text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal;
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class="">On 6/24/22 12:38 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:</span><br
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12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400;
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style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal;
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px;
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text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class=""><blockquote class="">On
Jun 24, 2022, at 12:33 , Michael Thomas <<a
href="mailto:mike@mtcc.com" class="" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">mike@mtcc.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br
class=""><br class="">On 6/24/22 9:09 AM, Chris Wright wrote:<br
class=""><blockquote class="">The term "5G" among technical circles
started vague, became better defined over the course of several years,
and is becoming vague again. This nuance was never well understood in
the public eye, nor by mass publications like CNN. This is a battle for
12GHz, not 5G.<br class=""></blockquote>But is what Starlink saying true
or not?<br class=""><br class="">It would be a pity to not have an
alternative to incumbent telephants.<br class=""><br class="">Mike<br
class=""></blockquote>It’s not entirely clear, without knowing the
technical details of the Starlink modulation scheme whether or not they
could successfully share the 12Ghz spectrum.<br class=""><br class="">I
have no reason to disbelieve their claims.<br class=""><br class="">Frankly,
I really don’t think that Dish’s idea of providing 5G mobile service
from satellites is a particularly good or beneficial one and granting
them 12Ghz spectrum for this purpose is probably not really in the
public interest.<br class=""></blockquote><span style="caret-color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style:
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing:
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;"
class="">I thought they were land based? What I read is that being land
based means that they can transmit at much higher power.</span><br
style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size:
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400;
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""></div></blockquote><div><br
class=""></div>I wasn’t aware that Dish had terrestrial facilities. I
had forgotten their absorption into AT&T.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>So
I retract my comments in that regard… They are a traditional telephant
and I think that terrestrial 5G on 12Ghz is even less useful.</div><div><br
class=""></div><div><blockquote class=""><div class=""><blockquote
style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal;
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
text-decoration: none;" class="">OTOH, I think Starlink is most
definitely an interesting product that does provide a clear path to
reasonable alternatives to the incumbent telephants.<br class=""></blockquote><span
style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size:
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400;
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none;
display: inline !important;" class="">Especially when you factor in
mobility when they get there. No more roaming fees, all over the world.</span><br
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12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400;
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""></div></blockquote><div><br
class=""></div>Yep… Probably one of the reasons DishT&T is trying
to fight so hard to cause them grief.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br
class=""></div></div><br></div>
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