<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Barry -<div><br></div><div>I did not say “obligation” - enforcement of laws is always modulated by local factors</div><div> (just look at the formal decision not to prosecute “minor” crimes in some cities) - </div><div>but rather said that police will pursue in many jurisdictions.   This is particularly true </div><div>in cases where the perpetrator is still on the premises to be taken into custody.</div><div><br></div><div>Yes, there are indeed places in the physical world where legal recourse against a </div><div>perpetrator is becoming less likely (just as it is on the Internet); this is particularly </div><div>disappointing given that legal recourse is recognized as a basic human right.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><div dir="ltr">/John</div><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">Disclaimers: my views alone.  Use/reuse/delete as desired. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">                    Contents may be hot; use caution when handling.</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jun 22, 2022, at 5:45 PM, bzs@theworld.com wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><span></span><br><span>On June 22, 2022 at 10:35 jcurran@istaff.org (John Curran) wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>Barry - </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    There is indeed a metaphor to your “rattling doorknobs", but it’s not</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    pretty when it comes to the Internet…   </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    If you call the police because someone is creeping around your property</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    checking doors and windows for </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    possible entry, then they will indeed come out and attempt to arrest the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    perpetrator (I am most certainly </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    not a lawyer, but as I understand it even the act of opening an unlocked</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    window or door is sufficient in many </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    jurisdictions to satisfy the “breaking the seal of the property” premise</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>One can find a lot of articles and court decisions which amount to no,</span><br><span>the police have no such obligation despite people's strong belief that</span><br><span>they do:</span><br><span></span><br><span>  https://mises.org/power-market/police-have-no-duty-protect-you-federal-court-affirms-yet-again</span><br><span></span><br><span>  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_of_Castle_Rock_v._Gonzales</span><br><span></span><br><span>  (not even if you have a restraining order against the person)</span><br><span></span><br><span>etc.</span><br><span></span><br><span>They do have an obligation to protect someone when they are in their</span><br><span>custody but that's about it.</span><br><span></span><br><span>The recent behavior of the Uvalde police standing around while</span><br><span>children were being shot may not have been their proudest moment but</span><br><span>they violated nothing by doing so.</span><br><span></span><br><span>  https://www.thenation.com/article/society/uvalde-police-supreme-court/</span><br><span></span><br><span>So let's try to extrapolate that to the internet and LEOs...good luck!</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>    and warrant charging under breaking </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    and entering statues.)</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    Now welcome to the Internet…  paint all your windows black, remove all</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    lighting save for one small bulb</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    over your front entry.   Sit back and enjoy the continuous sounds of</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    rattling doorknobs and scratching at </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    the windows.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    If/when you find a digital culprit creeping around inside the home, your</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    best option is burn down the place </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    and start anew with the copies you keep offsite in storage elsewhere.  </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    Similarly if you find a “trap” (e.g., </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    a phishing email) placed on your patio or amongst your mail… discard such</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    cautiously and hope your </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    kids use equal care. </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    “Best practice” for handling these situations on the Internet is</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    effectively to cope as best you can despite</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    being inundated with attempts – i.e. most Internet security professionals</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    and law enforcement will tell you</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    that the idea of actually trying to identify and stop any of the culprits</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    involved is considered rather quaint</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    at best – i.e. we’re instead going to engage in the worlds longest running</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    game of “whack-a-mole” by just</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    blocking their last known website/mail server/botnet and the wishing for</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    the best…  </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Enjoy your Internet! </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>/John</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Disclaimers:  My views alone - use, reuse, or discard as desired.   </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>                      This message made of 100% recycled electrons. </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    On 22 Jun 2022, at 12:04 AM, bzs@theworld.com wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    When I lock the doors etc to my home I'll often mutter "ya know, if</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    someone is rattling my door knob I already have a big problem."</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    I suppose when I'm home it might give me a warning if I hear it.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    There must be a metaphor in there somewhere.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    I do recall as a teen noticing that one of the closed store's on the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    main drag's door was unlocked late one night walking home (this was in</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    NYC.)</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    I saw a cop and told him and he scolded me angrily for rattling door</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    knobs, I could be arrested for that! But verified it, looked around</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    inside with his flashlight, and called it in.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    I forget how I noticed but I wasn't in the habit of rattling stores'</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    door knobs, I think the door was just a bit ajar.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    There must be a metaphor in there somewhere.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    On June 21, 2022 at 10:01 mpalmer@hezmatt.org (Matt Palmer) wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>        On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 02:18:30AM +0000, Mel Beckman wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>            When researchers, or whoever, claim their scanning an altruistic</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>            service,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>            I ask them if they would mind someone coming to their home and</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>            trying to</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>            open all the doors and windows every night.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>        If there were a few hundred people with nefarious intent trying to open</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>        your</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>        doors and windows every night, someone doing the same thing with</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>        altruistic</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>        intent might not be such a bad thing.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>        - Matt</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    --</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>           -Barry Shein</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    Software Tool & Die    | bzs@TheWorld.com             | http://</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    www.TheWorld.com</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD       | 800-THE-WRLD</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>    The World: Since 1989  | A Public Information Utility | *oo*</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>-- </span><br><span>        -Barry Shein</span><br><span></span><br><span>Software Tool & Die    | bzs@TheWorld.com             | http://www.TheWorld.com</span><br><span>Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD       | 800-THE-WRLD</span><br><span>The World: Since 1989  | A Public Information Utility | *oo*</span><br></div></blockquote></div></body></html>