<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Barry -<div><br></div><div>I did not say “obligation” - enforcement of laws is always modulated by local factors</div><div> (just look at the formal decision not to prosecute “minor” crimes in some cities) - </div><div>but rather said that police will pursue in many jurisdictions. This is particularly true </div><div>in cases where the perpetrator is still on the premises to be taken into custody.</div><div><br></div><div>Yes, there are indeed places in the physical world where legal recourse against a </div><div>perpetrator is becoming less likely (just as it is on the Internet); this is particularly </div><div>disappointing given that legal recourse is recognized as a basic human right.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><div dir="ltr">/John</div><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">Disclaimers: my views alone. Use/reuse/delete as desired. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr"> Contents may be hot; use caution when handling.</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jun 22, 2022, at 5:45 PM, bzs@theworld.com wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><span></span><br><span>On June 22, 2022 at 10:35 jcurran@istaff.org (John Curran) wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>Barry - </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> There is indeed a metaphor to your “rattling doorknobs", but it’s not</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> pretty when it comes to the Internet… </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> If you call the police because someone is creeping around your property</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> checking doors and windows for </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> possible entry, then they will indeed come out and attempt to arrest the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> perpetrator (I am most certainly </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> not a lawyer, but as I understand it even the act of opening an unlocked</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> window or door is sufficient in many </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> jurisdictions to satisfy the “breaking the seal of the property” premise</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>One can find a lot of articles and court decisions which amount to no,</span><br><span>the police have no such obligation despite people's strong belief that</span><br><span>they do:</span><br><span></span><br><span> https://mises.org/power-market/police-have-no-duty-protect-you-federal-court-affirms-yet-again</span><br><span></span><br><span> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_of_Castle_Rock_v._Gonzales</span><br><span></span><br><span> (not even if you have a restraining order against the person)</span><br><span></span><br><span>etc.</span><br><span></span><br><span>They do have an obligation to protect someone when they are in their</span><br><span>custody but that's about it.</span><br><span></span><br><span>The recent behavior of the Uvalde police standing around while</span><br><span>children were being shot may not have been their proudest moment but</span><br><span>they violated nothing by doing so.</span><br><span></span><br><span> https://www.thenation.com/article/society/uvalde-police-supreme-court/</span><br><span></span><br><span>So let's try to extrapolate that to the internet and LEOs...good luck!</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span> and warrant charging under breaking </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> and entering statues.)</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Now welcome to the Internet… paint all your windows black, remove all</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> lighting save for one small bulb</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> over your front entry. Sit back and enjoy the continuous sounds of</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> rattling doorknobs and scratching at </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> the windows.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> If/when you find a digital culprit creeping around inside the home, your</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> best option is burn down the place </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> and start anew with the copies you keep offsite in storage elsewhere. </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Similarly if you find a “trap” (e.g., </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> a phishing email) placed on your patio or amongst your mail… discard such</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> cautiously and hope your </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> kids use equal care. </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> “Best practice” for handling these situations on the Internet is</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> effectively to cope as best you can despite</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> being inundated with attempts – i.e. most Internet security professionals</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> and law enforcement will tell you</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> that the idea of actually trying to identify and stop any of the culprits</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> involved is considered rather quaint</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> at best – i.e. we’re instead going to engage in the worlds longest running</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> game of “whack-a-mole” by just</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> blocking their last known website/mail server/botnet and the wishing for</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> the best… </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Enjoy your Internet! </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>/John</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Disclaimers: My views alone - use, reuse, or discard as desired. </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> This message made of 100% recycled electrons. </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> On 22 Jun 2022, at 12:04 AM, bzs@theworld.com wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> When I lock the doors etc to my home I'll often mutter "ya know, if</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> someone is rattling my door knob I already have a big problem."</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> I suppose when I'm home it might give me a warning if I hear it.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> There must be a metaphor in there somewhere.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> I do recall as a teen noticing that one of the closed store's on the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> main drag's door was unlocked late one night walking home (this was in</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> NYC.)</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> I saw a cop and told him and he scolded me angrily for rattling door</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> knobs, I could be arrested for that! But verified it, looked around</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> inside with his flashlight, and called it in.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> I forget how I noticed but I wasn't in the habit of rattling stores'</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> door knobs, I think the door was just a bit ajar.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> There must be a metaphor in there somewhere.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> On June 21, 2022 at 10:01 mpalmer@hezmatt.org (Matt Palmer) wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 02:18:30AM +0000, Mel Beckman wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> When researchers, or whoever, claim their scanning an altruistic</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> service,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> I ask them if they would mind someone coming to their home and</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> trying to</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> open all the doors and windows every night.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> If there were a few hundred people with nefarious intent trying to open</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> your</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> doors and windows every night, someone doing the same thing with</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> altruistic</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> intent might not be such a bad thing.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> - Matt</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> --</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> -Barry Shein</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Software Tool & Die | bzs@TheWorld.com | http://</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> www.TheWorld.com</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD | 800-THE-WRLD</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> The World: Since 1989 | A Public Information Utility | *oo*</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>-- </span><br><span> -Barry Shein</span><br><span></span><br><span>Software Tool & Die | bzs@TheWorld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com</span><br><span>Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD | 800-THE-WRLD</span><br><span>The World: Since 1989 | A Public Information Utility | *oo*</span><br></div></blockquote></div></body></html>