<div dir="ltr">>Well, my dsl provider has like a 25/5 50/10 so clearly everybody has the headroom to get to 10 at least.<div>>I mean, most users have no clue about such things.</div><div><br></div><div>Lol I'm sure you're no network operator Michael. That's not accurate (well your first statement).<br><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 8:29 PM Mike Hammett <<a href="mailto:nanog@ics-il.net">nanog@ics-il.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">It's not always something the service provider has the ability to change.<br><br><div><span name="x"></span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"times new roman";font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"times new roman";font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"times new roman";font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline">-----</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"times new roman";font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"times new roman";font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline">Mike Hammett</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"times new roman";font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><a href="http://www.ics-il.com/" style="font-family:"times new roman";font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Intelligent Computing Solutions</a><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"times new roman";font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL" style="font-family:"times new roman";font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><img style="border: 0pt none;"></a><a href="https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb" style="font-family:"times new roman";font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><img style="border: 0pt none;"></a><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions" style="font-family:"times new roman";font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><img style="border: 0pt none;"></a><a href="https://twitter.com/ICSIL" style="font-family:"times new roman";font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><img style="border: 0pt none;"></a><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"times new roman";font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><a href="http://www.midwest-ix.com/" style="font-family:"times new roman";font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Midwest Internet Exchange</a><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"times new roman";font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix" style="font-family:"times new roman";font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><img style="border: 0pt none;"></a><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange" style="font-family:"times new roman";font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><img style="border: 0pt none;"></a><a href="https://twitter.com/mdwestix" style="font-family:"times new roman";font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><img style="border: 0pt none;"></a><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"times new roman";font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><a href="http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/" style="font-family:"times new roman";font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Brothers WISP</a><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"times new roman";font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp" style="font-family:"times new roman";font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><img style="border: 0pt none;"></a><a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg" style="font-family:"times new roman";font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><img style="border: 0pt none;"></a><span name="x"></span><br></div><hr id="gmail-m_-4881252901894592010zwchr"><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><b>From: </b>"Michael Thomas" <<a href="mailto:mike@mtcc.com" target="_blank">mike@mtcc.com</a>><br><b>To: </b>"Mike Hammett" <<a href="mailto:nanog@ics-il.net" target="_blank">nanog@ics-il.net</a>><br><b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" target="_blank">nanog@nanog.org</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Saturday, June 11, 2022 2:38:29 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: Upstream bandwidth usage<br><br>
<p><br>
</p>
<div>On 6/10/22 6:52 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Due to the demand being predominately in
the downward direction, half-duplex (or effectively half-duplex)
systems either allocate more TDMA slots or more channels to
downstream, at the expense of upstream.<br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p>Well, my dsl provider has like a 25/5 50/10 so clearly everybody
has the headroom to get to 10 at least. Marketing, of course, but
I wonder how many support calls they got because "my internet is
slow" from saturated upstream with zoom calls. I mean, most users
have no clue about such things.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Mike<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<blockquote>
<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
<div><span></span><br>
<br>
-----<br>
Mike Hammett<br>
Intelligent Computing Solutions<br>
<a href="http://www.ics-il.com" target="_blank">http://www.ics-il.com</a><br>
<br>
Midwest-IX<br>
<a href="http://www.midwest-ix.com" target="_blank">http://www.midwest-ix.com</a><span></span><br>
</div>
<br>
<hr id="gmail-m_-4881252901894592010zwchr">
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><b>From:
</b>"Michael Thomas" <a href="mailto:mike@mtcc.com" target="_blank"><mike@mtcc.com></a><br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" target="_blank">nanog@nanog.org</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Thursday, June 9, 2022 3:46:24 PM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: Upstream bandwidth usage<br>
<br>
<br>
On 6/9/22 1:26 PM, Mel Beckman wrote:<br>
> With 430 GB versus 32 GV average down versus up usage
today, according <br>
> to your article, this is still not a case for symmetrical
consumer <br>
> bandwidth. Yes, the upstream usage increased slightly
more than the <br>
> downstream usage. But the ratio was still so big that it
would take <br>
> decades for them to join. I doubt they ever will.
Consumers just don’t <br>
> have that much days up to push yet, and probably never
will.<br>
><br>
> Also, a lot of that Usage can be explained by video
conferencing <br>
> during Covid, which has dropped off significantly
already.<br>
><br>
><br>
If it's so tiny, why shape it aggressively? Why shouldn't I be
able to <br>
burst to whatever is available at the moment? I would think
most users <br>
would be happy with that.<br>
<br>
Mike<br>
<br>
</div>
<br>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div><br></div></div></blockquote></div>