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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/10/22 6:52 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:<br>
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      <div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:
        10pt; color: #000000">Due to the demand being predominately in
        the downward direction, half-duplex (or effectively half-duplex)
        systems either allocate more TDMA slots or more channels to
        downstream, at the expense of upstream.<br>
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    <p>Well, my dsl provider has like a 25/5 50/10 so clearly everybody
      has the headroom to get to 10 at least. Marketing, of course, but
      I wonder how many support calls they got because "my internet is
      slow" from saturated upstream with zoom calls. I mean, most users
      have no clue about such things.</p>
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    <p>Mike<br>
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          -----<br>
          Mike Hammett<br>
          Intelligent Computing Solutions<br>
          <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ics-il.com" target="_blank">http://www.ics-il.com</a><br>
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          Midwest-IX<br>
          <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.midwest-ix.com" target="_blank">http://www.midwest-ix.com</a><span></span><br>
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        <div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From:
          </b>"Michael Thomas" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mike@mtcc.com" target="_blank"><mike@mtcc.com></a><br>
          <b>To: </b><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" target="_blank">nanog@nanog.org</a><br>
          <b>Sent: </b>Thursday, June 9, 2022 3:46:24 PM<br>
          <b>Subject: </b>Re: Upstream bandwidth usage<br>
          <br>
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          On 6/9/22 1:26 PM, Mel Beckman wrote:<br>
          > With 430 GB versus 32 GV average down versus up usage
          today, according <br>
          > to your article, this is still not a case for symmetrical
          consumer <br>
          > bandwidth. Yes, the upstream usage increased slightly
          more than the <br>
          > downstream usage. But the ratio was still so big that it
          would take <br>
          > decades for them to join. I doubt they ever will.
          Consumers just don’t <br>
          > have that much days up to push yet, and probably never
          will.<br>
          ><br>
          > Also, a lot of that Usage can be explained by video
          conferencing <br>
          > during Covid, which has dropped off significantly
          already.<br>
          ><br>
          ><br>
          If it's so tiny, why shape it aggressively? Why shouldn't I be
          able to <br>
          burst to whatever is available at the moment? I would think
          most users <br>
          would be happy with that.<br>
          <br>
          Mike<br>
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