<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000'><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">"</span><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">I find it sad that so many would argue for never needing anything</span></font><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">more than we have today."</span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">Few to none are doing that. Upgrades are an organic part of the process. Some places they're hard, but most places they're comparatively easy. Let's stop putting the cart before the horse just to feel good about ourselves. That's too expensive.</span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">"totally fail to provide the same to everyone."</span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">Why should that be desirable?</span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">"If we had moved to fibre everywhere then perhaps"</span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">Negative. DOCSIS works well enough. Modern DSL implementations are good enough. Fixed wireless in many cases is good enough. Next gen satellite is good enough.</span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">"If you build it they will come."</span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">So then build the hypothetical content that needs this?</span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">Gigabit download level service is available to enough (at least in the US) that if such a downstream heavy service were on our doorstep, it would work for most Americans. Once people got tired of being proven that you need such forward-looking downstream capacity in the regulatory world, they just moved to upstream and cried wolf there too. Yes, many services do have mildly inadequate upstream, but certainly not anything to change the regulatory environment over.</span></font></div><br><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><span name="x"></span><br><br>-----<br>Mike Hammett<br>Intelligent Computing Solutions<br>http://www.ics-il.com<br><br>Midwest-IX<br>http://www.midwest-ix.com<span name="x"></span><br></div><br><hr id="zwchr" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none;"><b>From: </b>"Brandon Butterworth" <brandon@rd.bbc.co.uk><br><b>To: </b>"Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net><br><b>Cc: </b>"Michael Thomas" <mike@mtcc.com>, nanog@nanog.org<br><b>Sent: </b>Monday, June 6, 2022 9:31:13 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: FCC proposes higher speed goals (100/20 Mbps) for USF providers<br><br>On Mon Jun 06, 2022 at 08:06:50AM -0500, Mike Hammett wrote:<br>> "So what happens if the Next Big Thing..." <br><br>I find it sad that so many would argue for never needing anything<br>more than we have today. It's like why did we bother coming out of<br>the trees, or the oceans even (yes Apple digital watches are a pretty<br>neat idea).<br><br>The non fibre installations we have today, while working for some,<br>totally fail to provide the same to everyone. While fixing that<br>globally should be a priority it should not be done in a manner<br>that will require it all doing again in 10 years.<br><br>Building in some headroom for growth makes sense, we're not talking<br>lots it's only 10x ish to do gigabit ish, so within error margin.<br><br>> I see this said a lot, but it doesn't really mean anything. We<br>> are sufficiently close to whatever is likely to come that it<br>> can come and bandwidths will have to catch up upon its launch.<br><br>If we had moved to fibre everywhere then perhaps, but until<br>then we face many decades trying to get that done. So if<br>something comes up we may be stuck waiting. Stuff always<br>comes up.<br><br>When I started the BBC streaming we were told not to bother by<br>ISPs, the quality was rubbish, the network couldn't handle it and<br>never will. I did it anyway and the net grew but it was a long<br>slow process with lots of screaming. It'd be nice to not have to<br>wait so long next time because people want to deploy more legacy.<br><br>> If we're not that close, then it's unrealistic to pre-build<br>> capacity for imaginary developments that never come. <br><br>If you build it they will come. People are more likely to<br>invest in making things if they see a realistic timescale<br>to deployment. If they also have to upgrade everyones home<br>too they are less likely to bother.<br><br>brandon<br></div><br></div></body></html>