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<p>For corrections/updates, what I have found to be generally successful is</p>
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<p>1. make sure to advertise the IP blocks into the DFZ from your ASN as soon as possible</p>
<p>2. make sure ARIN data is accurate (we use ARIN, you may use one of the other registries)</p>
<p>3. update my geofeed, as referenced already in this thread</p>
<p>4. directly contact organizations that have geolocation services but don't subscribe to my geofeed</p>
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<p>If anyone has any additional geolocation organizations I didn't list, I would be happy to hear about them.</p>
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<p><u>Geofeed subscriptions are in place with these organizations</u></p>
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<div><b>IP Info</b></div>
<div>https://ipinfo.io/</div>
<div>https://ipinfo.io/faq/article/49-how-can-i-submit-a-correction</div>
<div>https://ipinfo.io/corrections<span style="white-space:pre"> </span></div>
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<div><b>dbip</b><span style="white-space:pre"> </span></div>
<div>https://db-ip.com/</div>
<div>https://db-ip.com/contact/</div>
<div>support<span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-size: 16px;"> <at> </span>db-ip.com</div>
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<div><b>IPGeolocation</b></div>
<div>https://ipgeolocation.io/</div>
<div>support<span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-size: 16px;"> <at> </span>ipgeolocation.io</div>
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<div><b>Maxmind</b></div>
<div>https://www.maxmind.com/en/geoip-demo</div>
<div>https://support.maxmind.com/geoip-data-correction-request/</div>
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<div><b>Neustar</b></div>
<div>https://www.home.neustar/resources/tools/ip-geolocation-lookup-tool<span style="white-space:pre">
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<div>https://www.home.neustar/resources/tools/submit-to-global-ip-database</div>
<div>ipintel<span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-size: 16px;"> <at> </span>support.neustar<span style="white-space:pre">
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<div><b>BigDataCloud</b></div>
<div>https://www.bigdatacloud.com/ip-geolocation/</div>
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<div><b>Digital Element</b></div>
<div>https://www.digitalelement.com/geolocation/<span style="white-space:pre"> </span>
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<div>https://www.digitalelement.com/contact-us/</div>
<div>ip-data <at> digitalelement.com</div>
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<div><b>ip2location</b></div>
<div>https://www.ip2location.com/demo</div>
<div>support<span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-size: 16px;"> <at> </span>ip2location.com</div>
<div>Only accepts feeds when all entries have a city defined</div>
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<div><b>Google</b></div>
<div><a href="https://isp.google.com" class="OWAAutoLink">https://isp.google.com</a></div>
<div>Set geofeed URL within their ISP portal</div>
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<p><u>No geofeed subscriptions in place for these organizations and require individual contact for corrections/updates</u></p>
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<div><b>ipstack</b></div>
<div>https://ipstack.com/</div>
<div>https://ipstack.com/contact</div>
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<div><b>Geo IP View</b></div>
<div>https://www.geoipview.com/</div>
<div>andrew<span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-size: 16px;"> <at> </span>geoipview.com</div>
<div>email address is not currently receiving mail, as such I assume not many are using this service</div>
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<div><b>IPligence</b></div>
<div>http://www.ipligence.com/geolocation</div>
<div>https://www.ipligence.com/contact</div>
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<div><b>ipdata</b></div>
<div>https://ipdata.co/?ref=iplocation</div>
<div>https://ipdata.co/corrections.html</div>
<div>corrections<span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-size: 16px;"> <at> </span>ipdata.co</div>
<div>working on adding geofeed support</div>
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<div><b>IPIP</b></div>
<div>https://en.ipip.net/ip.html</div>
<div>sarah<span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-size: 16px;"> <at> </span>ipip.net</div>
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<div><b>IPHub</b></div>
<div>https://iphub.info/</div>
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<div><b>IPinsight</b></div>
<div>https://ipinsight.io/</div>
<div>william<span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-size: 16px;"> <at> </span>ipinsight.io</div>
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<div><b>Info Sniper</b></div>
<div>https://infosniper.net/</div>
<div>https://infosniper.net/geoip-data-correction.php</div>
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<div><b>GeoGuard</b></div>
<div>https://www.geocomply.com/products/geoguard/</div>
<div>ipintelligence<span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-size: 16px;"> <at> </span>geoguard.com</div>
<div>More of a "are they using a VPN/hiding service" and not so much of a "Where are they" service.</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> NANOG <nanog-bounces+jkrejci=usinternet.com@nanog.org> on behalf of Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 21, 2022 9:24 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Rubens Kuhl<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Nanog<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Geolocation data management practices?</font>
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<div dir="ltr">Go through this list:
<div><a href="https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=1650551121269-090-00144432&s=35m2jbep&n=bqbgig2zy&ms=0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0&u=https%3A%2F%2Fthebrotherswisp.com%2Findex.php%2Fgeo-and-vpn%2F">https://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/</a>
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<div>The RFC only works if they're pulling your feed and they'd only know that if you contact them in the first place.
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 9:14 AM Rubens Kuhl < <a href="mailto:rubensk@gmail.com">
rubensk@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <br>
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Besides geofeed, there are also geoidx records in IRRs but whether <br>
geolocation services actually use geofeed or geoidx remains to be <br>
seen. You can see some geoidx: at this IRR entry in TC: <br>
<a href="https://url-shield.securence.com/?p=1.0&r=jkrejci@usinternet.com&sid=1650551121269-090-00144432&s=mkamn44w&n=bqbgig2zz&ms=0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0&u=https%3A%2F%2Fbgp.net.br%2Fwhois%2F%3Fq%3D-s%2520TC%2520-i%2520mnt-by%2520MAINT-AS271761" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://bgp.net.br/whois/?q=-s%20TC%20-i%20mnt-by%20MAINT-AS271761</a>
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Regarding LACNIC, what LACNIC, NIC.mx and NIC.br do is to select which <br>
RIR or NIR services requests depending on the organisation's country. <br>
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Rubens <br>
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On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 9:53 AM Shawn < <a href="mailto:mailman.nanog.org@kleinart.net" target="_blank">
mailman.nanog.org@kleinart.net</a>> wrote: <br>
> <br>
> Aloha NANOG, <br>
> <br>
> What is the best practice (or peoples preferred methods) to <br>
> update/correct/maintain geolocation data? <br>
> Do most people start with description field info in route/route6 objects? <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Also, thoughts and considerations on using IPv4 space from one RIR in <br>
> countries belonging to another RIR? <br>
> <br>
> With IPv4 exhaustion and inter-RIR IPv4 transfers, and geolocation data, it <br>
> seems less applicable than it had been (a decade ago). The IP's will be <br>
> used for CDN, not by end-users/subscribers. <br>
> Context: trying to work through an administrative "challenge" with LACNIC <br>
> regarding an IPv4 transfer, considering transferring to ARIN and then using <br>
> in LACNIC (then once resolved, transfer from ARIN to LACNIC). Or just using <br>
> existing ARIN space in Brazil. <br>
> LACNIC is making things more difficult than they need to be. I know this is <br>
> NANOG... but seeking advice, working on a global network, US HQ, currently <br>
> no active "registration" in LACNIC (except Brazil), but we operate in 5 <br>
> countries in the region (data center/colo). We would use Brazil, but very <br>
> hesitant to use their NIC ( <a href="http://nic.br" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
nic.br</a>); LACNIC is saying we cannot maintain our <br>
> relationship with them using our Brazil organization (our only formal <br>
> subsidiary in the region). LACNIC does not really define the "entity" <br>
> operating in their region well. We use our US entity with RIPE and APNIC, <br>
> simply showing documentation (contracts) that we operate in their region. <br>
> Maybe I am not using the magic word? <br>
> <br>
> <br>
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