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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Makes sense, Abe, for the next version.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Note that the intention is NOT any to ANY. A native IPv6 IoT device can only talk to another IPv6 device, where that other device may use a YATT address or any other IPv6 address.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">But it cannot talk to a YADA node. That’s what I mean by baby steps for those who want to.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Keep safe;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b> Abraham Y. Chen <aychen@avinta.com>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> vendredi 1 avril 2022 15:49<br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> NANOG <nanog@nanog.org><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: Let's Focus on Moving Forward Re: V6 still not supported re: 202203261833.AYC<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Hi, Pascal:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">What I would appreciate is an IP packet header design/definition layout, word-by-word, ideally in bit-map style, of an explicit presentation of all IP addresses involved from
one IoT in one realm to that in the second realm. This will provide a clearer picture of how the real world implementation may look like.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Thanks,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Abe (2022-04-01 09:48)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On 2022-04-01 08:49, Vasilenko Eduard wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">As I understand: “IPv4 Realms” between “Shaft” should be capable to have a plain IPv4 header (or else why all of these).</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Then Gateway in the Shaft should change headers (from IPv4 to IPv6).</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Who should implement this gateway and why? He should be formally appointed to such an exercise, right?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Map this 2 level hierarchy to the real world – you may fail with this.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b> Pascal Thubert (pthubert) [<a href="mailto:pthubert@cisco.com">mailto:pthubert@cisco.com</a>]
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, April 1, 2022 3:41 PM<br>
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<vasilenko.eduard@huawei.com></a>; Justin Streiner <a href="mailto:streinerj@gmail.com">
<streinerj@gmail.com></a>; Abraham Y. Chen <a href="mailto:aychen@avinta.com"><aychen@avinta.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> RE: Let's Focus on Moving Forward Re: V6 still not supported re: 202203261833.AYC<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hello Eduard:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Did you just demonstrate that POPs cannot exist? Or that there cannot be a Default Free Zone?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I agree with your real world issue that some things will have to be planned between stake holders, and that it will not be easy.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">But you know what the French say about “impossible”.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Or to paraphrase Sir Arthur, now that we have eliminated all the impossible transition scenarios, whatever remains…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">There will be YADA prefixes just like there are root DNS. To be managed by different players as you point out. And all routable within the same shaft.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Keep safe;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Pascal<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b> Vasilenko Eduard <<a href="mailto:vasilenko.eduard@huawei.com">vasilenko.eduard@huawei.com</a>>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> vendredi 1 avril 2022 14:32<br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> RE: Let's Focus on Moving Forward Re: V6 still not supported re: 202203261833.AYC<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Hi Pascal,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">In general, your idea to create a hierarchy is good.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">In practice, it would fail because you have created a virtual hierarchy that does not map to any administrative border. Who should implement gateways
for the “Shaft”? Why?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">If you would appoint Carrier as the Shaft responsible then it is not enough bits for Shaft.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">If you would appoint Governments as the Shaft responsible then would be a so big scandal that you would regret the proposal.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Hence, I do not see proper mapping for the hierarchy to make YADA successful.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Eduard</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b> NANOG [<a href="mailto:nanog-bounces+vasilenko.eduard=huawei.com@nanog.org">mailto:nanog-bounces+vasilenko.eduard=huawei.com@nanog.org</a>]
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Pascal Thubert (pthubert) via NANOG<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, April 1, 2022 2:26 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Justin Streiner <<a href="mailto:streinerj@gmail.com">streinerj@gmail.com</a>>; Abraham Y. Chen <<a href="mailto:aychen@avinta.com">aychen@avinta.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> NANOG <<a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org">nanog@nanog.org</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> RE: Let's Focus on Moving Forward Re: V6 still not supported re: 202203261833.AYC<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">For the sake of it, Justin, I just published
<a href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-thubert-v6ops-yada-yatt/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-thubert-v6ops-yada-yatt/</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The first section of the draft (YADA) extends IPv4 range in an IPv4-only world. For some people that might be enough and I’m totally fine with that.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Keep safe;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Pascal<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b> NANOG <<a href="mailto:nanog-bounces+pthubert=cisco.com@nanog.org">nanog-bounces+pthubert=cisco.com@nanog.org</a>>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Justin Streiner<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> dimanche 27 mars 2022 18:12<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Abraham Y. Chen <<a href="mailto:aychen@avinta.com">aychen@avinta.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> NANOG <<a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org">nanog@nanog.org</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: Let's Focus on Moving Forward Re: V6 still not supported re: 202203261833.AYC<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Abe:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">To your first point about denying that anyone is being stopped from working on IPv4, I'm referring to users being able to communicate via IPv4. I have seen no evidence of that.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I'm not familiar with the process of submitting ideas to IETF, so I'll leave that for others who are more knowledgeable on that to speak up if they're so inclined.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thank you<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 6:43 PM Abraham Y. Chen <<a href="mailto:aychen@avinta.com">aychen@avinta.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="4" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">1) "... no one is stopping anyone from working on IPv4 ... ": After all these discussions, are you still denying this basic issue? For example, there has not been any
straightforward way to introduce IPv4 enhancement ideas to IETF since at least 2015. If you know the way, please make it public. I am sure that many are eager to learn about it. Thanks.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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