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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font size="4">Hi, Christian:</font></div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font size="4">0) Allow me following
your "towers of babel world" metaphor to tell a short story. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font size="4">1) In the ancient
days, peasants labored under the shadow of the Tower, following
the rules of and paid tax to the Lord living in the Tower. In
return, they expected protection from the Lord against harms.
(Sometime ago, I read an archaeological article reporting
certain evidence that the Load somewhere in England during
medieval time might have been expected to protect his peasants
from any harm, including even paid his life for famine.)<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font size="4">2) In the modern
world, the peasants still live around the Tower following the
rules, paying taxes and expecting protection from the Lord, now
represented by the government agencies such as local police,
FCC, FTC, DoD, DHS, etc.</font></div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font size="4">3) In the Internet
era, the peasants roam everywhere around the cyberspace freely
enjoying the Internet way. However, their wealth is now being
siphoned out to the invisible Lords (the multi-national
businesses with virtual presence in each and every Tower).
However, little can be expected in return when perpetrators
attack, because no Lord assumes the responsibility, nor any can
be held responsible.</font></div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font size="4">4) EzIP proposes an
overlay cyberspace with geographic flavor to restore the society
infrastructure back to Pt. 2) above, while providing the daily
services of Pt. 3). It essentially offers a parallel Internet
for the peasants who can again expect protection from their
local government who collects taxes, while without losing the
benefits of the digital revolution.</font></div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font size="4">5) The two
cyberspaces are expected to coexist and none-interfering to each
other. Peasants have the freedom of choice by living in either
or try both then decide.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font size="4">The above is just a
quick rough thought, </font><font size="4"><font size="4">far
from polished.</font> It is intended to be a preliminary
framework so that we can hang some meat on it for starting
meaningful discussions. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font size="4">Regards,</font></div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font size="4">Abe (2022-04-01 14:17)<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2022-03-27 11:03, Christian de
Larrinaga wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">On 27 March 2022 15:53:25 Brandon Butterworth
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<div dir="auto">On Sun Mar 27, 2022 at 12:31:48AM -0400,
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<div dir="auto">EzIP proposes to deploy 240/4 </div>
<div dir="auto">address based RANs, each tethering off the
current Internet via one IPv4 </div>
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<div dir="auto">So each RAN has no possibility of redundant
connections? Nobody</div>
<div dir="auto">of scale would accept such a limitation. It
also looks like an</div>
<div dir="auto">opportunity for telcos/governments to
partition their part</div>
<div dir="auto">of the internet and impose whatever
censorship they wish.</div>
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<div dir="auto">As such, the collection of RANs forms an
overlay network </div>
<div dir="auto">layer wrapping around the current Internet
core. Consequently, only the </div>
<div dir="auto">SPRs in the RAN need to be able to
transport 240/4 addressed packets.</div>
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<div dir="auto">You previously described this as like
connecting CG-NATs together via a</div>
<div dir="auto">VPN. I don't see why we'd want to add
maintaining a global VPN to</div>
<div dir="auto">already difficult peering relationships. It
could be used to exlude non</div>
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<div dir="auto">This is why we talk about enabling new
(but based on existing design) </div>
<div dir="auto">routers to use 240/4 netblock for serving
as SPRs, but not perturbing </div>
<div dir="auto">any routers in the current Internet.</div>
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<div dir="auto">As it's a CG-NAT variant why are you
delaying yourself by requiring</div>
<div dir="auto">new address space that will take a long time
to become available? Why</div>
<div dir="auto">not use the already allocated space for
CG-NAT? Sure it's only a /10</div>
<div dir="auto">but that's an already (probably too) large
RAN.</div>
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<div dir="auto">It also seems unfeasibly optimistic that if
the work was done globally</div>
<div dir="auto">to make 240/4 useable that they'd want to
dedicate it to the as yet</div>
<div dir="auto">undeployed EzIP. You might stand more chance
if you gained some</div>
<div dir="auto">critical mass using the existing available
100.64/10 & rfc1918 space,</div>
<div dir="auto">and then those that find they need more in
one RAN will make the case</div>
<div dir="auto">for 240/4 when it becomes necessary for
them. Is 240/4 special to</div>
<div dir="auto">EzIP such that alternative numbers may not
be used?</div>
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<div dir="auto">I would like to share one intriguing
graphics (see URL below) that </div>
<div dir="auto">is almost perfect for depicting the EzIP
deployment configuration. </div>
<div dir="auto">Consider the blue sphere as the earth or
the current Internet core and </div>
<div dir="auto">the golden colored land as the RANs. By
connecting each continent, </div>
<div dir="auto">country or all the way down to a Region to
the earth via one IPv4 </div>
<div dir="auto">address, we have the EzIP configuration.
With this architecture, each </div>
<div dir="auto">RAN looks like a private network.</div>
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<div dir="auto">That sounds an entirely undesirable goal for
the internet.</div>
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<div dir="auto">brandon</div>
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<div dir="auto"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">It isn't the
Internet. It's at best a very poorly connected spur
gateway. </span></div>
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<div dir="auto">Too many today don't remember the towers of
Babel world prior to the Internet. If they did they'd
understand that building on this type of idea is like burying
yourself.... And any customers so unwise to get involved</div>
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