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<div dir="auto">I had no idea that actually went through. That makes my morning much better knowing someone saw it hahaha. I'm all in on v6. <span></span></div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 1, 2022 6:59:19 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>; Ryland Kremeier <rkremeier@barryelectric.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Philip Homburg <pch-nanog-2@u-1.phicoh.com>; nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org>; 'jordi.palet' (jordi.palet@consulintel.es) <jordi.palet@consulintel.es><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: V6 still not supported </font>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Actually, Owen, now the day has come, I can say I love it.</span></font></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b> Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> mercredi 30 mars 2022 22:33<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Ryland Kremeier <rkremeier@barryelectric.com><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com>; Philip Homburg <pch-nanog-2@u-1.phicoh.com>; nanog@nanog.org; 'jordi.palet' (jordi.palet@consulintel.es) <jordi.palet@consulintel.es><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: V6 still not supported </p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On Mar 28, 2022, at 11:03 , Ryland Kremeier <</span><a href="mailto:rkremeier@barryelectric.com">rkremeier@barryelectric.com</a></font>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hmm.</span></font></p>
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From: NANOG <</span><a href="mailto:nanog-bounces+rkremeier=barryelectric.com@nanog.org">nanog-bounces+rkremeier=barryelectric.com@nanog.org</a></font>> On Behalf Of Pascal Thubert (pthubert) via NANOG<br>
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2022 11:55 AM<br>
To: Philip Homburg <<a href="mailto:pch-nanog-2@u-1.phicoh.com">pch-nanog-2@u-1.phicoh.com</a>>;<span class="x_apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org">nanog@nanog.org</a>; 'jordi.palet' (<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>)
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Subject: RE: V6 still not supported<span class="x_apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
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maybe those are not many, and will mostly stay within their realm.<span class="x_apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">> From: NANOG <</span><a href="mailto:nanog-bounces+pthubert=cisco.com@nanog.org"><font color="black"><span style="color:windowtext; text-decoration:none">nanog-bounces+pthubert=cisco.com@nanog.org</span></font></a></font>>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">> Philip Homburg</span></font></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">> Sent: samedi 26 mars 2022 12:24</span></font></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">> To:<span class="x_apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org"><font color="black"><span style="color:windowtext; text-decoration:none">nanog@nanog.org</span></font></a></font></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">> Subject: Re: V6 still not supported</span></font></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">> >for the rest of us mean s stateless. Compared to CGNATs that is huge.</span></font></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">> sort of CGNAT. We no longer have enough IPv4 addresses to give each</span></font></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">> customer an unique one. So some ISPs are forced to map multiple</span></font></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">> customers to a single IPv4 address. Which results in CGNAT.</span></font></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">> A+P (address plus port) mapping is a bit different, but for the</span></font></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">> that doesn't make a lot of difference. And A+P has serious scalability</span></font></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">> >Beyond that the proposal is not a tunnel and more akin to a nat64</span></font></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">> >since it all ows v6 nodes to talk to v4 nodes. The network can be</span></font></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">> You mostly ignored the routing problems I brought up. With NAT64 each</span></font></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">> ISP is in full control over all routing. Your problem has routing</span></font></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">> aspects that are not under control of the ISP.</span></font></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">> >Your response is also missing the capability to extend the IPv4</span></font></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">> >network a mill ion times. Or drop it completely while maintaining</span></font></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">> applications.</span></font></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">> Extending IPv4 is fine (except for the installed base of IPv6). It is</span></font></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">> There are other problems to consider. For example, IPv6 can be added</span></font></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">> a public IPv6 address and a RFC 1918 IPv4 address. I wonder how in</span></font></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">> your approach such a mix of legacy and new hosts will work out.</span></font></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">> >6to4 was meant for early v6 to interconnect islands. A solution for a</span></font></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">> >problem that never really existed. Solutions without a problem aren?t</span></font></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">> We seem to have a different recall of history. 6to4 was extremely</span></font></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">> popular.</span></font></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">> host stacks were modified to essentially kill 6to4. (in case we are</span></font></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">> talking about different 6to4 protocols. I meant the one that</span></font></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">> interconnects with the</span></font></p>
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