<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Submit an Internet draft, same as any other IP related enhancement gets introduced.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">What you’re really complaining about is that it’s been virtually impossible to gain consensus to move anything IPv4 related forward in the IETF since at least 2015.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Well… It’s a consensus process. If your idea isn’t getting consensus, then perhaps it’s simply that the group you are seeking consensus from doesn’t like your idea.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Your inability to convince the members of the various working groups that your idea has merit isn’t necessarily a defect in the IETF process… It might simply be a lack of merit in your ideas.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 26, 2022, at 15:43 , Abraham Y. Chen <<a href="mailto:aychen@avinta.com" class="">aychen@avinta.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font size="4" class="">1) "... no one is
stopping anyone from working on IPv4 ... ": After all
these discussions, are you still denying this basic issue? For
example, there has not been any straightforward way to introduce
IPv4 enhancement ideas to IETF since at least 2015. If you know
the way, please make it public. I am sure that many are eager to
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font size="4" class="">Regards,</font></div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2022-03-26 11:20, Justin Streiner
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<div class="">While the Internet is intended to allow the free exchange
of information, the means of getting that information from
place to place is and has to be defined by protocols that are
implemented in a consistent manner (see: BGP, among many other
examples). It's important to separate the ideas from the
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<div class="">That said, no one is stopping anyone from working on IPv4,
so what personal freedoms are being impacted by working toward
deploying IPv6, with an eye toward sunsetting IPv4 in the
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<div class="">Keep in mind that IPv4 started out as an experiment that
found its way into wider use. It's a classic case of a test
deployment that suddenly mutated into a production service.
Why should we continue to expend effort to perpetuate the sins
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<div class="">Is IPv6 a perfect protocol? Absolutely not, but it
addresses the key pain point of IPv4 - address space
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<div class=""><font size="4" class="">3) Re: Ur. Pts. 5) & 6): I
believe that there is a philosophic / logic baseline
that we need to sort out, first. That is, we must keep
in mind that the Internet community strongly promotes
"<b class=""><i class="">personal freedom</i></b>". Assuming that by
stopping others from working on IPv4 will shift their
energy to IPv6 is totally contradicting such a
principle. A project attracts contributors by its own
merits, not by relying on artificial barriers to the
competitions. Based on my best understanding, IPv6
failed right after the decision of "not emphasizing
the backward compatibility with IPv4". It broke one of
the golden rules in the system engineering discipline.
After nearly three decades, still evading such fact,
but defusing IPv6 issues by various tactics is the
real impedance to progress, not only to IPv4 but also
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