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<p><font size="4">Hi, Joe:</font></p>
<p><font size="4">1) "... how the IETF ivory tower residents
likes to try and suppress debate, ... ": Interesting
metaphor. Along this line, I wonder whether those bouncers on
the draw bridge realize that technology has advanced to the
point that there are other ways to get around the road block,
such as taking over the country side to leave the ivory tower in
isolation, or parachuting to bypass the draw bridge?</font></p>
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<p><font size="4">Regards,</font></p>
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<p><font size="4">Abe (2022-03-21 12:34)</font><br>
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NANOG Digest, Vol 170, Issue 23
Message: 11
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2022 05:31:50 -0400
From: Joe Maimon <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jmaimon@jmaimon.com"><jmaimon@jmaimon.com></a>
To: John Levine <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:johnl@iecc.com"><johnl@iecc.com></a>, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org">nanog@nanog.org</a>
Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:aychen@avinta.com">aychen@avinta.com</a>
Subject: Re: Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock Re: 202203151549.AYC
Message-ID: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:62384606.2030300@jmaimon.com"><62384606.2030300@jmaimon.com></a>
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John Levine wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">It appears that Abraham Y. Chen <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:aychen@avinta.com"><aychen@avinta.com></a> said:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap=""> C. Recently, we were made aware of the Int-Area activities.
Attempts to reach the Group Chairs have not received any responses.
D. I just received an Int-Area Digest Vol 199, Issue 14
requesting IETF to reactivate the IPv4 support.
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">For people who don't follow the IETF lists, here's a summary of
the responses. Mr. Chen thought it was a good idea, everyone
else, and I mean everyone, said it's a foolish idea and not
worth pursuing.
R's,
John
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap=""><b class="moz-txt-star"><span class="moz-txt-tag">*</span>ahem<span class="moz-txt-tag">*</span></b>
Is this is how the IETF ivory tower residents likes to try and suppress
debate, by relegating all group think dissenters as white noise
nobodies? And if they have succeeded in doing such on their own forums,
its more telling about their own process problems than anything else.
I sincerely hope I am mistaken in your characterization of the many fine
individuals who have repeatedly gone on record in support of maintaining
IPv4 responsibly until such time as it is properly obsoleted.
While I can understand being considered a nobody, other more notable
definitely not nobodies have even on this tired topics' nth thread made
themselves heard and some fairly clearly.
History will continue to show that the IETF pursued the path of pain for
the internet.
Joe
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