<div dir="ltr"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">They don't want their names on it when what happened in the 70s happens again. The effect of setting everything to DST and staying there is that in the winter, especially in the norther latitude it will be pitch dark during most of the morning when children get picked up at school bus stops. When the tragedy happens again, and it will, they will end up undoing this again...<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Or, perhaps, schools just adjust times a little bit to accommodate. </div><div><br></div><div>Also, I live in upstate NY, and even with the current time implementation, there was plenty of times that I was out for the bus when it was dark already. I don't mean to sound like 'when I was a kid, uphill, both ways' here, but I certainly can't find any references to a massive uptake in kids getting doinked by cars at dark bus stops in that 70s experiment. </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 6:09 PM Matthew Huff <<a href="mailto:mhuff@ox.com">mhuff@ox.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">They don't want their names on it when what happened in the 70s happens again. The effect of setting everything to DST and staying there is that in the winter, especially in the norther latitude it will be pitch dark during most of the morning when children get picked up at school bus stops. When the tragedy happens again, and it will, they will end up undoing this again...<br>
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Subject: Re: "Permanent" DST<br>
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Oh. This was "Unanimous Consent"? AKA "I want to vote for this, but *I do not want to be held responsible for having voted for it when it blows up*?"<br>
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I'd missed that; thanks.<br>
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> From: "Tom Beecher" <<a href="mailto:beecher@beecher.cc" target="_blank">beecher@beecher.cc</a>><br>
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> I would say if something passes the United States Senate in our <br>
> current political environment by unanimous consent (which this did) , <br>
> I kinda feel like there won't be a ton of issues with everybody <br>
> figuring out how to line themselves up appropriately.<br>
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> On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 5:01 PM Eric Kuhnke <<a href="mailto:eric.kuhnke@gmail.com" target="_blank">eric.kuhnke@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> That is true but at present everything business related in BC has a <br>
>> clear expectation of being in the same time zone as WA/OR/CA, and AB <br>
>> matches US Mountain time.<br>
>><br>
>> On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 at 13:35, Paul Ebersman <<a href="mailto:list-nanog2@dragon.net" target="_blank">list-nanog2@dragon.net</a>><br>
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>>> eric> If Canada doesn't do the same thing at the same time, it'll be <br>
>>> eric> a real hassle, dealing with a change from -8 to -7 crossing <br>
>>> eric> the border between BC and WA, for instance. It has to be done <br>
>>> eric> consistently throughout North America.<br>
>>><br>
>>> You must not have ever dealt with Indiana, where it was DST or not <br>
>>> by choice per county. It wasn't quite the cluster***k you'd think.<br>
>>><br>
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