<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I agree. iMO, this 240/4 issue is another one of those <a href="https://david.choffnes.com/classes/cs4700fa14/papers/tussle.pdf" class="">tussles in cyberspace</a>. But I don’t fault IETF people or anyone else who pursues technical solutions to these types of problems as long as they are open and honest about the limitations of these solutions.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Also, IMO, the value of having a discussion about this issue here (and other NOG forums) is to get the perspective of people who (generally speaking) deal more immediately with the problems the broader “online" population has with IETF-based technology.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">—gregbo<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 8, 2022, at 9:25 PM, <a href="mailto:bzs@theworld.com" class="">bzs@theworld.com</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class=""><br class="">I'm beginning to wonder if the internet will survive the ipv6 adoption<br class="">debates.<br class=""><br class="">Here's the real problem which you all can promptly ignore:<br class=""><br class="">The IETF et al are full of bright technical people who can design<br class="">protocols, packet formats, etc.<br class=""><br class="">But many of the major problems facing the internet are not, at their<br class="">core, engineering problems.<br class=""><br class="">They're in the realm of social, legal, marketing, politics, int'l<br class="">policy, governance, law enforcement, commerce, economics, sociology,<br class="">psychology, etc. which TBH as bright as many of the engineers et al<br class="">are these problems are way beyond their ken, occasional polymath<br class="">excepted.<br class=""><br class="">But first you have to admit you have a problem, and limitations.<br class=""><br class="">Shouting at the rafters about address space depletion etc while waving<br class="">RFCs may not quite do it.<br class=""><br class="">Similar can be said about spam, malware attacks, phishing, etc.<br class=""><br class="">Yet another cryptographic protocol probably won't save the day but as<br class="">the expression goes when all you have is a hammer the whole world<br class="">looks like a nail.<br class=""><br class="">-- <br class=""> -Barry Shein<br class=""><br class="">Software Tool & Die | bzs at <a href="http://TheWorld.com" class="">TheWorld.com</a> | <a href="http://www.TheWorld.com" class="">http://www.TheWorld.com</a><br class="">Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD | 800-THE-WRLD<br class="">The World: Since 1989 | A Public Information Utility | *oo*<br class=""><br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>