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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font size="4">Dear Mel & Bill:</font></div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font size="4">0) Thank you for your
kind advice.</font></div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font size="4">1) To be honest, I am
a bit of lost with multiple comments about my eMail Header at
the same time. Especially, some seem not in agreement with the
other. Rather than opening up a discussion thread, such as
"eMail Header Rules" that for sure will distract us from the
real topic on the table, I have sent a request to Valerie
Wittkop (Program Director) for a copy of the "official" rules
for me to follow.</font></div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font size="4">Regards,</font></div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font size="4">Abe (2022-03-09 23:13)</font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2022-03-09 14:23, Abraham Y. Chen
wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2022-03-09 13:16, Mel Beckman
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Alternatively, just use BCC. There is no reason for you to tell
us who else you want to hear what you say. There’s nothing wrong
with CCing, and nothing in the rules against it, but your
recipients may not appreciate you distributing their email
addresses on this list, to which they are not a member.<br>
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<div dir="ltr"> -mel beckman</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">On Mar 9, 2022, at 9:29 AM, William
Herrin <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:bill@herrin.us" moz-do-not-send="true"><bill@herrin.us></a>
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<div dir="ltr">Mr. Chen:<br>
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<div>Would you please stop changing the subject line with
an added date stamp every time you post? It fouls
threaded email readers and is most inconsiderate.</div>
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<div>In addition, I respectfully encourage you to trim the
recipients to just the mailnig list and the specific
individual to whom you are sending a reply.<br>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Bill Herrin</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at
9:19 AM William Herrin <<a
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class="moz-txt-link-freetext">bill@herrin.us</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">Mr. Chen:<br>
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<div>Would you please stop changing the subject line
with an added date stamp every time you post? It
fouls threaded email readers and is most
inconsiderate.</div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Bill Herrin</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 9, 2022
at 9:09 AM Abraham Y. Chen <<a
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<p><font size="4">Dear John:</font></p>
<p><font size="4">1) Thanks for your comment on
how eMail headers could be used.</font></p>
<p><font size="4">Dear Bill:</font></p>
<p><font size="4">2) I am glad that you agree
that it should be a viable discussion on
making use of the 240/4 netblock, while
waiting for IPv6 to deliver its promises.</font></p>
<p><font size="4">3) As to your question about
where does IPv6 stand today and where is it
heading, I like to highlight a recent APNIC
blog that you may have read. It also appeared
on CircleID. After a long recount of the
history, the author seems to hint that 1995
may be the new starting point for looking
forward.</font></p>
<p><font size="4"> <a
href="https://blog.apnic.net/2022/02/21/another-year-of-the-transition-to-ipv6/?utm_source=mailpoet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=apnic-blog-weekly-wrap_4"
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https://blog.apnic.net/2022/02/21/another-year-of-the-transition-to-ipv6/?utm_source=mailpoet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=apnic-blog-weekly-wrap_4</a>
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<p><font size="4"> <a
href="https://circleid.com/posts/20220220-another-year-of-the-transition-to-ipv6"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">
https://circleid.com/posts/20220220-another-year-of-the-transition-to-ipv6</a></font></p>
<p><font size="4">4) We fully realize that the
EzIP approach is quite unorthodox. As such, we
received numerous quick criticisms in the
past. With the proposal now put together, we
do hope colleagues on this list will <font
size="4">take the time to review its
specifics. </font>I look forward to
comments and critiques on its merits.<br>
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<p><font size="4">Regards,</font></p>
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<p><font size="4">Abe (2022-03-09 12:08)</font><br>
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<pre>Message: 7
Date: 8 Mar 2022 15:32:36 -0500
From: "John Levine" <a href="mailto:johnl@iecc.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><johnl@iecc.com></a>
To: <a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">nanog@nanog.org</a>
Subject: Re: CC: s to Non List Members (was Re: 202203080924.AYC Re:
202203071610.AYC Re: Making Use of 240/4 NetBlock)
Message-ID: <a href="mailto:20220308203237.53E7038B1B83@ary.qy" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><20220308203237.53E7038B1B83@ary.qy></a>
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It appears that Anne Mitchell <a href="mailto:amitchell@isipp.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><amitchell@isipp.com></a> said:
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<pre>Cc: NANOG <a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><nanog@nanog.org></a>, Greg Skinner <a href="mailto:gregskinner0@icloud.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><gregskinner0@icloud.com></a>, "Karandikar, Abhay" <a href="mailto:Director@iitk.ac.in" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><Director@iitk.ac.in></a>, Rama Ati
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<pre><a href="mailto:rama_ati@outlook.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><rama_ati@outlook.com></a>, Bob Corner GMAIL <a href="mailto:bobbiecorner@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><bobbiecorner@gmail.com></a>, "Hsing, T. Russell" <a href="mailto:tHsing@ieee.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><tHsing@ieee.org></a>, "Chen, Henry C.J."
<a href="mailto:hcjchen@avinta.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><hcjchen@avinta.com></a>, ST Hsieh <a href="mailto:uschinaeetc@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><uschinaeetc@gmail.com></a>, "Chen, Abraham Y." <a href="mailto:AYChen@alum.mit.edu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><AYChen@alum.mit.edu></a>
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<pre>This is a whole lot of cc:s to people who aren't even part of this group/list. One wonders with this many cc:s, how many bcc:s there also were, and to whom.
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<pre>There are several thousand people on the NANOG list, and public web archives. I don't think this
is a useful question.
FWIW, I also don't think that repurposing 240/4 is a good idea. To be useful it would require
that every host on the Internet update its network stack, which would take on the order of
a decade, to free up some space that would likely be depleted in a year or two. It's basically
the same amount of work as getting everything to work on IPv6.
R's,
John
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Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2022 13:11:58 -0800
From: William Herrin <a href="mailto:bill@herrin.us" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><bill@herrin.us></a>
To: John Levine <a href="mailto:johnl@iecc.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><johnl@iecc.com></a>
Cc: <a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">"nanog@nanog.org"</a> <a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><nanog@nanog.org></a>
Subject: Re: CC: s to Non List Members (was Re: 202203080924.AYC Re:
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On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 12:34 PM John Levine <a href="mailto:johnl@iecc.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><johnl@iecc.com></a> wrote:
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<pre>FWIW, I also don't think that repurposing 240/4 is a good idea. To be useful it would require
that every host on the Internet update its network stack,
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<pre>Hi John,
That's incorrect and obviously so. While repurposing 240/4 as general
purpose Internet addresses might require that level of effort, other
uses such as local LAN addressing would only require the equipment on
that one lan to be updated -- a much more attainable goal.
Reallocating 240/4 as unpurposed unicast address space would allow
some standards-compliant uses to become practical before others. A few
quite quickly.
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<pre>which would take on the order of
a decade, to free up some space that would likely be depleted in a year or two. It's basically
the same amount of work as getting everything to work on IPv6.
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<pre>Is it not past time we admit that we have no real idea what the
schedule or level of effort will be for making IPv6 ubiquitous? This
year it was more than last year and next year it'll probably be more
than this year. The more precise predictions all seem to have fallen
flat.
Regards,
Bill Herrin
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