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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/8/22 4:32 PM, Tom Beecher wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Don't need to break phone to tower encryption when
        the vast majority of the call pathway is not encrypted. <br>
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    <p>If it's VoLTE I assume it would be sips:</p>
    <p>Mike<br>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 4:59 PM
          Michael Thomas <<a href="mailto:mike@mtcc.com"
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          Hi, I was reading an article on why Russia hasn't taken out
          Ukraine's <br>
          mobile networks and one of the premises was that they could
          use it to <br>
          eavesdrop on calls. Depending on how old their infrastructure
          is, that <br>
          doesn't make sense as I would assume that along with e2e SIP
          that they'd <br>
          be using SRTP with the SRTP keys exchanged using DTLS which is
          my <br>
          understanding of the way they are secured. My understanding
          could be <br>
          wrong though, or either outdated, or not uniformly deployed.<br>
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          The other thing that's weird is that the same article says
          they want to <br>
          keep it up so they can use their bandwidth too which strikes
          me as sort <br>
          of a crazy assumption in a war, but that's not much of an
          operational issue.<br>
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          Mike<br>
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