<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Parts of San Jose are another example… The so-called “Capital of Silicon Valley” has many neighborhoods where<div class="">fiber is less than 100 yards away and yet fiber services are unavailable. In many of those locations, DSL is limited</div><div class="">to about 1.5M/384k (and that on good days).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This is true of many other bay area cities and several other mezzo-urban and sub-urban areas in California.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 11, 2022, at 05:41 , Tom Beecher <<a href="mailto:beecher@beecher.cc" class="">beecher@beecher.cc</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Can you provide examples?<br class=""></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twe6uTwOyJo&ab_channel=NANOG" class="">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twe6uTwOyJo&ab_channel=NANOG</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Our good friend Jared could only get 1.5M DSL living just outside Ann Arbor, MI, so he had to start his own CLEC. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I have friends in significantly more rural areas than he lives in ( Niagara and Orleans county NYS , between Niagara Falls and Rochester ) who have the same 400Mb package from Spectrum that I do, living in the City of Niagara Falls. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This is not to say that rural America is a mecca of connectivity; there is a long way to go all the way around regardless. But it is a direct example as you asked for. </div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 3:57 PM Josh Luthman <<a href="mailto:josh@imaginenetworksllc.com" class="">josh@imaginenetworksllc.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="">>There are plenty of urban and suburban areas in America that are far worse off from a broadband perspective than “rural America”.<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Can you provide examples?</div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 3:51 PM Owen DeLong via NANOG <<a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" target="_blank" class="">nanog@nanog.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br class="">
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> On Jun 2, 2021, at 02:10 , Mark Tinka <<a href="mailto:mark@tinka.africa" class="">mark@tinka.africa</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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>> I disagree… If it could be forced into a standardized format using a standardized approach to data acquisition and reliable comparable results across providers, it could be a very useful adjunct to real competition.<br class="">
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> If we can't even agree on what "minimum speed for U.S. broadband connections" actually means, fat chance having a "nutritional facts" at the back of the "Internet in a tea cup" dropped off at your door step.<br class="">
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> I'm not saying it's not useful, I'm just saying that easily goes down the "what color should we use for the bike shed" territory, while people in rural America still have no or poor Internet access.<br class="">
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ROFLMAO…<br class="">
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People in Rural America seem to be doing just fine. Most of the ones I know at least have GPON or better.<br class="">
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Meanwhile, here in San Jose, a city that bills itself as “The Capital of Silicon Valley”, the best I can get is Comcast (which does finally purport to be Gig down), but rarely delivers that.<br class="">
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Yes, anything involving the federal government will get the full bike shed treatment no matter what we do.<br class="">
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There are plenty of urban and suburban areas in America that are far worse off from a broadband perspective than “rural America”.<br class="">
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