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    pfsense and opnsense both do fine with natted ipsec in the
    environmnets i've tested.<br>
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    Isn't there an openvpn appliance too?<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/10/2022 1:17 PM, Shawn L via NANOG
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          their licensing (your license runs out, the box is a
          paper-weight) but they do really well at establishing
          site-to-site VPNs in some pretty challenging scenarios. 
          Dynamic IPs and NATs don't really cause them a problem.  Some
          CGNats do (AT&T I'm looking at you).</p>
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          From: "Keith Stokes" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:keiths@salonbiz.com"><keiths@salonbiz.com></a><br>
          Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 1:11pm<br>
          To: "William Herrin" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bill@herrin.us"><bill@herrin.us></a><br>
          Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org">"nanog@nanog.org"</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org"><nanog@nanog.org></a><br>
          Subject: Re: VPN recommendations?<br>
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        <div id="SafeStyles1644516923">Pfsense on Netgate appliances?
          <div>I’ve used several of them, while not for this exact
            purpose they have done the roles but maybe not the amount of
            VPN traffic. <br>
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              <div>Keith Stokes</div>
              <div>SalonBiz, Inc</div>
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              On Feb 10, 2022, at 12:02 PM, William Herrin <<a
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                  <div>Hi folks,</div>
                  <div>Do you have any recommendations for VPN
                    appliances? Specifically: I need to build a site to
                    site VPNs at speeds between 100mpbs and 1 gbit where
                    all but one of the sites are behind an IPv4 NAT
                    gateway with dynamic public IP addresses.</div>
                  <div>Normally I'd throw OpenVPN on a couple of Linux
                    boxes and be happy but my customer insists on a
                    network appliance. Site to site VPNs using IPSec and
                    static IP addresses on the plaintext side are a dime
                    a dozen but traversing NAT and dynamic IP addresses
                    (and automatically re-establishing when the service
                    goes out and comes back up with different addresses)
                    is a hard requirement.</div>
                  <div>Thanks in advance,</div>
                  <div>Bill Herrin</div>
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                              <div>William Herrin</div>
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