<div dir="ltr"><div>For those persons who have not received an answer from the Amazon peering email addresses, or a BGP session with traffic actually flowing across it... <br></div><div><br></div><div>Obviously Amazon does not share their own traffic volume criteria for selecting a peer vs. sending traffic to them over a giant IP transit provider.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I wonder what the actual threshold is as measured in traffic volume from netflow data to/from the Amazon AS before they start taking a potential peer seriously. Obviously if you're somebody big like a regional ILEC or a cable operator that has half of a major city as your incumbent territory, it's not even a question, but for smaller ISPs it's an interesting question to discover where exactly that threshold is. <br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 at 13:26, Kevin Burke <<a href="mailto:kburke@burlingtontelecom.com">kburke@burlingtontelecom.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Have gotten into the habit of making annual peering requests to Amazon asking turn up a session on a shared IXP peering. Once was able to get a peering session turned up, no traffic was ever shifted onto it before we moved out of that
carrier hotel a year or so later. The amazon peering email box does have humans surfing it.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Over the years a number of network operators have mentioned getting little response from Amazon about peering requests.
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<p class="MsoNormal">For a company like Amazon they have little reason to do peering with small scale operators. They already peer with the tier 1’s and assume I will do what I need to balance my bits. The fancy algorithms they use to balance traffic around
does allow them to operate a decent network with fewer staff and less links to the small ISPs. Just a network operator here, trying to get my bytes across the wire.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">Kevin Burke<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> NANOG <nanog-bounces+kburke=<a href="mailto:burlingtontelecom.com@nanog.org" target="_blank">burlingtontelecom.com@nanog.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Lincoln Dale<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 3, 2022 12:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kelly Littlepage <<a href="mailto:kelly@onechronos.com" target="_blank">kelly@onechronos.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" target="_blank">nanog@nanog.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Amazon peering revisited<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:white">On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 8:22 AM Kelly Littlepage via NANOG <</span><a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" target="_blank">nanog@nanog.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi all, a nanog thread started on November 23, 2018 discussed the challenges of getting Amazon peering sessions turned up. Has anyone had luck since/does anyone have a contact they could refer me to — off-list or otherwise? The process
of getting PNI in place with other CSPs was straightforward, but I haven't heard back from AWS after a month and several follow-ups. Our customers would really benefit from us getting this sorted.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<a href="https://aws.amazon.com/peering/" target="_blank">https://aws.amazon.com/peering/</a> (and <a href="https://aws.amazon.com/peering/policy/" target="_blank">https://aws.amazon.com/peering/policy/</a>) then send me details privately about what/when/who and I'll reach out internally
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