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<p class="MsoNormal">Have gotten into the habit of making annual peering requests to Amazon asking turn up a session on a shared IXP peering. Once was able to get a peering session turned up, no traffic was ever shifted onto it before we moved out of that
carrier hotel a year or so later. The amazon peering email box does have humans surfing it.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Over the years a number of network operators have mentioned getting little response from Amazon about peering requests.
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<p class="MsoNormal">For a company like Amazon they have little reason to do peering with small scale operators. They already peer with the tier 1’s and assume I will do what I need to balance my bits. The fancy algorithms they use to balance traffic around
does allow them to operate a decent network with fewer staff and less links to the small ISPs. Just a network operator here, trying to get my bytes across the wire.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> NANOG <nanog-bounces+kburke=burlingtontelecom.com@nanog.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Lincoln Dale<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 3, 2022 12:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kelly Littlepage <kelly@onechronos.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> nanog@nanog.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Amazon peering revisited</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:white">On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 8:22 AM Kelly Littlepage via NANOG <</span><a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" target="_blank">nanog@nanog.org</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi all, a nanog thread started on November 23, 2018 discussed the challenges of getting Amazon peering sessions turned up. Has anyone had luck since/does anyone have a contact they could refer me to — off-list or otherwise? The process
of getting PNI in place with other CSPs was straightforward, but I haven't heard back from AWS after a month and several follow-ups. Our customers would really benefit from us getting this sorted.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There are many folks that here that are in AWS. Assuming you have followed what is in
<a href="https://aws.amazon.com/peering/" target="_blank">https://aws.amazon.com/peering/</a> (and <a href="https://aws.amazon.com/peering/policy/" target="_blank">https://aws.amazon.com/peering/policy/</a>) then send me details privately about what/when/who and I'll reach out internally
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