<div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>There are also three different ASNs and different policy decision trees; they all report selective criteria such as minimum of 10GE, multiple locations, specific locations, etc. Not sure it's as simple as 'getting the right person' more than it is about meeting the right conditions. Easier for network operators. Enterprises may be different (and better off with their upstreams or PacketFabric).<br></div><div><br></div><div>YMMV,</div><div><br></div><div>-M<</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 5:30 PM Mike Hammett <<a href="mailto:nanog@ics-il.net">nanog@ics-il.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">"For a company like Amazon..."<div><br></div><div>True, but also, they're at a size where staffing and operating peering operations generously has a negligible impact on the fiscal situation of the company (or even department).<br><br><div><span name="x"></span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"times new 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target="_blank">nanog@nanog.org</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Friday, February 4, 2022 3:25:53 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>RE: Amazon peering revisited<br><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Have gotten into the habit of making annual peering requests to Amazon asking turn up a session on a shared IXP peering. Once was able to get a peering session turned up, no traffic was ever shifted onto it before we moved out of that
carrier hotel a year or so later. The amazon peering email box does have humans surfing it.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Over the years a number of network operators have mentioned getting little response from Amazon about peering requests.
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<p class="MsoNormal">For a company like Amazon they have little reason to do peering with small scale operators. They already peer with the tier 1’s and assume I will do what I need to balance my bits. The fancy algorithms they use to balance traffic around
does allow them to operate a decent network with fewer staff and less links to the small ISPs. Just a network operator here, trying to get my bytes across the wire.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">Kevin Burke</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">802-540-0979</p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Lincoln Dale<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 3, 2022 12:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kelly Littlepage <<a href="mailto:kelly@onechronos.com" target="_blank">kelly@onechronos.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" target="_blank">nanog@nanog.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Amazon peering revisited</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:white">On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 8:22 AM Kelly Littlepage via NANOG <</span><a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" target="_blank">nanog@nanog.org</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi all, a nanog thread started on November 23, 2018 discussed the challenges of getting Amazon peering sessions turned up. Has anyone had luck since/does anyone have a contact they could refer me to — off-list or otherwise? The process
of getting PNI in place with other CSPs was straightforward, but I haven't heard back from AWS after a month and several follow-ups. Our customers would really benefit from us getting this sorted.</p>
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