<div dir="ltr">Hi Scott,<br><br>Thank you for your comment! We understand the privacy concern. As for SBAS, the backbone is operated in a federated manner among PoP operators. In our current deployment, the PoP operators are located across three continents. On the other hand, due to the federated structure of the SBAS PoP operators, a governance structure is needed to coordinate global operation. We have outlined four potential governance models, i.e., ICANN and Regional Internet Registries, a multi-stakeholder organization, a federation of network providers, or a decentralized governance model. The four models are described in further detail in the survey, and we would love to hear your opinions about them.<br><br>Best,<br>Yixin<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 8:24 PM scott <<a href="mailto:surfer@mauigateway.com">surfer@mauigateway.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>On 1/21/2022 12:07 PM, Yixin Sun wrote:<br>
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<div>We appreciate that your time is very precious, but we
wanted to ask you for your help in answering a brief survey
about a new secure routing system we have developed in a
research collaboration between ETH, Princeton University, and
University of Virginia. We'd like to thank those of you who
have already helped us fill out the survey and provided
insightful feedback. Your input is critical for helping inform
our further work on this project. </div>
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<div>Here is the link to our survey, which takes about 10
minutes to complete, including watching a brief 3-minute
introductory video: </div>
<div><a href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc4VCkqd7i88y0CbJ31B7tVXyxBlhEy_zsYZByx6tsKAE7ROg/viewform?usp=pp_url&entry.549791324=NANOG+mailing+list" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc4VCkqd7i88y0CbJ31B7tVXyxBlhEy_zsYZByx6tsKAE7ROg/viewform?usp=pp_url&entry.549791324=NANOG+mailing+list</a><br>
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<div>Our architecture, called Secure Backbone AS (SBAS), allows
clients to benefit from emerging secure routing deployments
like SCION by tunneling into a secure infrastructure. SBAS
provides substantial routing security improvements when
retrofitted to the current Internet. It also provides benefits
even to non-participating networks and endpoints when
communicating with an SBAS-protected entity.</div>
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We currently have a functional prototype of this network using
SCIONLab (for the secure backbone) and the PEERING testbed (to
make outbound BGP announcements). Our ultimate aim is to
develop and deploy SBAS beyond an experimental scope, and the
input of network operators that would actually have to run
these PoPs would greatly benefit this project and help make
secure routing a reality.<br>
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<p>This all looks like a network made for surveilling the planet's
citizens more easily. Even in the FAQs!<br>
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<p>"Do you use countries as ISDs? Doesn't that
create opportunities for government intervention and censorship? </p>
<p> We're currently looking into the best way to partition the
Internet into ISDs, so using countries as ISDs is only one
possible option. Countries have the advantage of providing a
uniform legal environment, allowing misbehavior in an ISD to be
handled according to the legal framework of that ISD."</p>
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<p>I guess each country's government will define 'misbehavior' and
will have a more easy way to find the misbehaving entity? Will
each ISD (ISD = Isolation Domain) have it's own DNS? What will
you do about space? The moon? (That one's coming sooner that
folks might expect:
<a href="https://www.nokia.com/networks/insights/network-on-the-moon" target="_blank">https://www.nokia.com/networks/insights/network-on-the-moon</a>) Just
say no to internet partitioning.<br>
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<p>scott<br>
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