<div>Raymond,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for the response. Would you say then any 'major proivder' is fine for HK? Based on my tests w\ Lumen everything seems fine. I'll check the other ASNs. My posts are not making it to the list. I've done the following tests. The only 'bad one' was net-navigator.<br></div><div><br></div><div>====<br></div><blockquote style="box-sizing: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0.2em 0px 0.2em 1.2em; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; height: auto; max-width: 100%; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; border-left: 3px solid rgb(101, 126, 228); border-top-color: rgb(101, 126, 228); border-right-color: rgb(101, 126, 228); border-bottom-color: rgb(101, 126, 228); color: rgb(38, 42, 51); font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Oxygen-Sans, Ubuntu, Cantarell, "Helvetica Neue", sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;" class="protonmail_quote" type="cite"><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal; border-left: 3px solid rgb(101, 126, 228); border-top-color: rgb(101, 126, 228); border-right-color: rgb(101, 126, 228); border-bottom-color: rgb(101, 126, 228); padding: 0.2em 0px 0.2em 1.2em;" class="protonmail_quote"><blockquote style="box-sizing: inherit; margin: 0px; padding: 0.2em 0px 0.2em 1.2em; font-size: 1em; line-height: normal; height: auto; max-width: 100%; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; border-left: 3px solid rgb(101, 126, 228); border-top-color: rgb(101, 126, 228); border-right-color: rgb(101, 126, 228); border-bottom-color: rgb(101, 126, 228);" class="protonmail_quote" type="cite"><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;">Thank you. Would you say it's fair to say that Lumen would be fine to reach the eyeballs based on the following.... I believe they peer locally with the Cogents\Lumens of the world. Looking at BGP.he.net AS9444 I found some HKT IPs and pinged from the Lumen looking glass<br></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"><br></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;">====<br></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"><span style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; float: none; display: inline !important;"><span style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"><span style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"><span style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:arial, sans-serif"><span style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"><span style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"><span style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"><span class="size" style="font-size:medium">Hong Kong Telecommunications (HKT) Limited</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"><br></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;">Target: 120.88.245.3 with 64 data bytes Success rate sent/received = (1/1) packets<br></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;">Round-Trip min/avg/max = 1ms/1ms/1ms<br></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"><br></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;">AS38819 - HKT GPRS network<br></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"><span style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal; color: rgb(36, 37, 38); font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; float: none; display: inline !important;"><span style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"><span style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"><span style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Inter, sans-serif"><span style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"><span style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"><span style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"><span class="size" style="font-size:16px">HONGKONG CHINA Ping results for:</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal; color: rgb(36, 37, 38); font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; float: none; display: inline !important;"><span style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"><span style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"><span style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:Inter, sans-serif"><span style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"><span style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"><span style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"><span class="size" style="font-size:16px"><span style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"> </span>14.0.183.254 (14-0-183-254.static.pccw-hkt.com)</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"><br></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"><span style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;">Target: 14.0.183.254 with 64 data bytes<span style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"> </span>Success rate sent/received = (1/1) packets<br style="box-sizing: border-box; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;">Round-Trip min/avg/max = 2ms/2ms/2ms</span></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;">=====<br></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"><br></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;">The only remotely 'far' one was <br></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"><br></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;">===<br></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"><span style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; float: none; display: inline !important;"><span style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"><span style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"><span style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"><span class="font" style="font-family:arial, sans-serif"><span style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"><span style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"><span style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"><span class="size" style="font-size:medium">Hong Kong Telecommunications (HKT) Limited Mass Internet</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"><br></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;">traceroute to 1.65.190.108 (1.65.190.108), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets<br></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;">1 gi0-0-0-18.221.rcr11.b061570-1.hkg02.atlas.cogentco.com (66.250.250.193) 0.861 ms 0.879 ms<br></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;">2 be3692.ccr21.hkg02.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.80.33) 1.079 ms 1.159 ms<br></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;">3 be2414.rcr51.hkg01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.88.50) 1.772 ms 1.667 ms<br></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;">4 pccw.hkg01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.140.66) 8.791 ms 3.131 ms<br></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;">5 HundredGE0-3-0-0.br02.hkg08.pccwbtn.net (63.223.29.194) 3.234 ms 3.232 ms<br></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;">6 csl.te0-1-0-14.br02.hkg08.pccwbtn.net (63.217.66.30) 3.290 ms 3.367 ms<br></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;">7 * *<br></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;">8 * *<br></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;">9 * *<br></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;">10 1-65-190-108.static.netvigator.com (1.65.190.108) 47.453 ms 47.441 ms<br></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;">===<br></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"><br></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;">Cogent has similar results.<br></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"><br></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;">If anyone has access to IPs in HK and doesn't mind helping please ping from cogent or lumen LG.<br></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"><br></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;">Just want to ensure I'm not missing anything here in my analysis.<br></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;"><br></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;">Thanks<br></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;">- Nanoguser99<br></div><div style="box-sizing: inherit; quotes: "“" "”" "‘" "’"; line-height: normal;">====</div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block"><div class="protonmail_signature_block-user protonmail_signature_block-empty"></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block-proton">Sent with <a rel="noopener noreferrer" href="https://protonmail.com/" target="_blank">ProtonMail</a> Secure Email.</div></div><div><br></div><div class="protonmail_quote">
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<div dir="ltr">Hong Kong isn't that bad, PCCW Netvigator AS4760, HKBN AS9269, HGC AS9304 are all announcing their customer route throughout HKIX<div><br></div><div>HKBN is one of the largest operator on the market too, and most of the ISP are willing to exchange traffic via IX</div><div><br><div><div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-weight:bold;font-size:15px;font-family:Arial">Raymond Leung <span style="font-weight:normal;font-size:10pt"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span></span></div><div style="padding-top:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:15px;font-family:Arial">Senior Network Engineer</div><div style="padding-top:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:15px;font-family:Arial">JNCIE-SP #2456, MIET, MIEEE</div><div style="color:rgb(136,136,136);padding-top:15px"><a target="_blank" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" href="https://www.booking.com/" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"><img src="https://bstatic.com/static/img/siglogo.jpg" width="130" alt="Booking.com" title="Booking.com"></a></div><div style="font-size:11px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,59,149)">Making it easier for everyone</div><div style="font-size:11px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,59,149)">to experience the world.</div><div style="font-size:11px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,59,149)"><br></div><div style="font-size:11px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,59,149)">Mobile: +31629703060, +447490674066<br></div><div style="font-size:11px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,59,149)">Tel: +31207094728</div></div></div></div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 3:41 AM Eric Kuhnke <<a href="mailto:eric.kuhnke@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">eric.kuhnke@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><div>I think the biggest difference between what the IP transit providers have described is that PCCW is also a major middle-mile and last-mile provider in Hong Kong. You'll find their 100Mbps to gigabit class end user service in apartments, condos and office buildings throughout the city. <br></div><div><br></div><div>The non-HK based transit providers that would be in a top-40 CAIDA ASRANK size are generally <i>not</i> operators of last mile connectivity within the city.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 2:54 PM nanoguser99 via NANOG <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener">nanog@nanog.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div>Nanog,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Currently my organization uses PCCW which we pay through the nose for and I'm looking to cut them. This was put in place before me. I was informed that PCCW is "the carrier" in Hong Kong but based on my analysis I'm not sure that's the case. My analysis of carriers such as Lumen and Cogent put them on par with PCCW. Pings to random IPs in HK are reasonable fast on all of them, same with pings to cloud providers. Access to mainland is not a hard requirement but just to check they all had 300+ ms latency to known IPs in Shanghai and Tanjin.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I know some regions such as Korea or Dubai are monopolized where the wrong carrier takes you on a far away path to get a few blocks down the street. <br></div><div><br></div><div>I don't need anything special, just general DIA and good access to eyeballs and internet. I just wanted to see people's opinions here as APAC connectivity can be tricky.<br></div><div><br></div><div>- Nanoguser99</div><div><br></div><div><div></div><div>Sent with <a target="_blank" href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://protonmail.com/__;!!FzMMvhmfRQ!6BO0OIyDKS4mnx6jZWPywpDMkAoIHgyaluYjJIu7MiW9OJH_oWeQj4QqoMe5-ir0AWmH$" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener">ProtonMail</a> Secure Email.</div></div><div><br></div></blockquote></div>
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