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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Oh and I remember the day we first got mosaic and I thought “why would I need pictures on the internet?”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="color:windowtext"> NANOG <nanog-bounces+bkain1=ford.com@nanog.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Miles Fidelman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 20, 2021 2:47 PM<br>
<b>Cc:</b> nanog@nanog.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Network visibility<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:12.0pt;background:yellow"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:red">WARNING:</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> This message originated outside of Ford Motor Company. Use caution when opening attachments, clicking links,
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<p class="MsoNormal">Since we seem to be getting pedantic... <br>
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There's "The (capital I) Internet" - which, most date to the flag day, and the "Public Internet" (the Internet after policies changed and allowed commercial & public use over the NSFnet backbone - in 1992f, as I recall).<br>
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Then there's the more general notion of "internetworking" - of which there was a considerable amount of experimental work going on, in parallel with TCP/IP. And of (small i) "internets" - essentially any Catenet style network-of-networks.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">“Looking into” isn’t “is” :)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> -mel <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Oct 20, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Michael Thomas
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 10/20/21 8:26 AM, Mel Beckman wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As long as we’re being pedantic, January 1, 1983 is considered the official birthday of the Internet, when TCP/IP first let different kinds of computers on different networks talk to each other. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It’s 2021, hence the Internet is <i>less</i> than, not more than, 40 years old. Given your mathematical skills, I put no stock in your claim that we still can’t “buy an NMS that just works.” :)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Pedantically, IP is 40 years old as of last month. What you're talking about is the flag day. People including myself were looking into internet protocols well before the flag day.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>In practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Theory is when you know everything but nothing works. <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Practice is when everything works but no one knows why. <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>In our lab, theory and practice are combined: <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>nothing works and no one knows why. ... unknown<o:p></o:p></pre>
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