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<p>I think the issuing of rfc 791 was much more important than the
flag day. ARPAnet was a tiny, tiny universe but there were a lot
of people interested in networking at the time wondering what to
do with our neat new DEUNA and DEQNA adapters. There was tons of
interest in all of the various protocols coming out around then
because nobody knew what was going to win, or whether there would
be *a* winner at all. Being able to get a spec to write to was
pretty novel at the time because all of the rest of them were
proprietary so you had to reverse engineer them for the most part.
It may be that alone that pushed IP along well before the public
could hook up to the Internet. We had lots of customers asking for
IP protocols in the mid to late 80's and I can guarantee you most
weren't part of the Internet. They were using IP as the
interoperating system glue on their own networks.<br>
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<p>Also: the flag day was pretty much an example of how not to do a
transition. as in, let's not do that again.</p>
<p>Mike, trying to remember when CMU shipped their first version of
their IP stack for VMS<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Since we seem to be getting
pedantic... <br>
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There's "The (capital I) Internet" - which, most date to the
flag day, and the "Public Internet" (the Internet after policies
changed and allowed commercial & public use over the NSFnet
backbone - in 1992f, as I recall).<br>
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Then there's the more general notion of "internetworking" - of
which there was a considerable amount of experimental work going
on, in parallel with TCP/IP. And of (small i) "internets" -
essentially any Catenet style network-of-networks.<br>
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Miles Fidelman<br>
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<div>“Looking into” isn’t “is” :)<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/20/21 8:26 AM, Mel
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Mark,
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<div class="">As long as we’re being pedantic, January
1, 1983 is considered the official birthday of the
Internet, when TCP/IP first let different kinds of
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<div class="">It’s 2021, hence the Internet is <i
class="">less</i> than, not more than, 40 years old.
Given your mathematical skills, I put no stock in
your claim that we still can’t “buy an NMS that just
works.” :)</div>
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<p>Pedantically, IP is 40 years old as of last month. What
you're talking about is the flag day. People including
myself were looking into internet protocols well before
the flag day.</p>
<p>Mike<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra
Theory is when you know everything but nothing works.
Practice is when everything works but no one knows why.
In our lab, theory and practice are combined:
nothing works and no one knows why. ... unknown</pre>
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