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<p>Just as an interesting aside if you're interested in the history
of networking, When Wizards Stayed Up Late is quite elucidating.</p>
<p>Mike<br>
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Before 1983, the ARPANET wasn’t an internet, let alone The Internet. Each ARPANET connection required a host-specific interface (the “IMP”) and simplex Network Control Protocol (NCP). NCP used users' email addresses, and routing had to be specified in advance within each NCP message.
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This is just so completely wrong as to be ludicrous. <br>
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First of all, the IMP was the box. Computers connected using the
protocols specified in BBN Report 1822 (<a
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href="https://walden-family.com/impcode/BBN1822_Jan1976.pdf"
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NCP was alternately referred to as the Network Control PROGRAM and
the Network Control Protocol. It essentially played the role of
TCP, managing pairs of simplex connections. <br>
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Routing was completely dynamic - that was the whole point of the
IMP software. And routing did NOT require email addresses - those
operated much further up the protocol stack.<br>
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Perhaps you're confusing this with UUCP mail addressing ("bang"
paths). Or possibly BITNET or FidoNet - which I believe also were
source routed (but memory fails on that.<br>
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re. <br>
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You know, there are people on this list who were back there in
1969, and actually wrote some of that code - so you might want to
stop spouting nonsense. (Not me, I was a user, starting in 1971,
didn't get to BBN until 1985 - when we were still dealing with
stragglers who didn't quite manage to cutover to TCP/IP on the
Flag Day.)<br>
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In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra
Theory is when you know everything but nothing works.
Practice is when everything works but no one knows why.
In our lab, theory and practice are combined:
nothing works and no one knows why. ... unknown</pre>
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