<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000'>"at some point it just doesn't matter and becomes marketing hype."<br><br>There is A LOT of hype over increasing broadband speeds, so much so to the point where immense oversubscription is the only practical way forward, then people piss and moan that ISPs didn't build enough to keep up with non-existent (at the time) demand.<br><div><span name="x"></span><br><br>-----<br>Mike Hammett<br>Intelligent Computing Solutions<br>http://www.ics-il.com<br><br>Midwest-IX<br>http://www.midwest-ix.com<span name="x"></span><br></div><br><hr id="zwchr"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Michael Thomas" <mike@mtcc.com><br><b>To: </b>nanog@nanog.org<br><b>Sent: </b>Sunday, October 10, 2021 3:13:50 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge<br><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/10/21 12:57 PM, Mark Tinka wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/10/21 21:33, Matthew Petach
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<div>If you sell a service for less than it costs to
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<div>based on the hopes that people won't actually *use* it,
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<div>called "gambling", and I have very little sympathy for
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<div>that gamble and lose.</div>
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You arrived at the crux of the issue, quickly, which was the basis
of my initial response last week - infrastructure is dying. And we
simply aren't motivated enough to figure it out.<br>
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When you spend 25+ years sitting in a chair waiting for the phone
to ring or the door to open, for someone to ask, "How much for
5Mbps?", your misfortune will never be your own fault.<br>
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<p>Isn't that what Erlang numbers are all about? My suspicion is
that after about 100Mbs most people wouldn't notice the difference
in most cases. My ISP is about 25Mbs on a good day (DSL) and it
serves our needs fine and have never run into bandwidth
constraints. Maybe if we were streaming 4k all of the time it
might be different, but frankly the difference for 4k isn't all
that big. It's sort of like phone screen resolution: at some point
it just doesn't matter and becomes marketing hype.</p>
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