<div dir="ltr">I agree with you generally.<div><br></div><div>It's not impossible, but probably unlikely for an individual to be sued for contents of cookie data or similar small fragments like that. </div><div><br></div><div>I do believe it's orders of more magnitude more likely for the 'average' residential consumer to attract a suit from the MPAA/RIAA/etc because there is a torrent stream emanating from their connection, and I have little faith that any provider would go out of their way to jump in front and say 'no no, that's our tech'. </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 5:15 PM Matthew Petach <<a href="mailto:mpetach@netflight.com">mpetach@netflight.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 2:01 PM Tom Beecher <<a href="mailto:beecher@beecher.cc" target="_blank">beecher@beecher.cc</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>I think it would be absolutely *stunning* for content providers </div><div>to turn the model on its head; use a bittorrent like model for </div><div>caching and serving content out of subscribers homes at </div><div>recalcitrant ISPs, so that data doesn't come from outside, </div><div>it comes out of the mesh within the eyeball network, with </div><div>no clear place for the ISP to stick a $$$ bill to.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'm familiar with some work and ideas that have gone into such a thing, and I'm personally very much against it for non-technical reasons. </div><div><br></div><div>Given how far the law lags behind technology, the last thing anyone should be ok with is a 3rd party storing bits on ANYTHING in their house, or transmitting those bits from a network connection that is registered to them.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>*chortle*</div><div><br></div><div>So, I take it you steadfastly block *all* cookies from being stored </div><div>or transmitted from your browser at home? </div><div><br></div><div>Oh, wait. You meant it's OK to let some third parties </div><div>store and transmit bits from your devices, but only </div><div>the ones you like and support, and as long as they're </div><div>small bits, and you're sure there's nothing harmful or </div><div>illegal in them. </div><div><br></div><div>So, that means you check each cookie to make sure </div><div>there's nothing in them that could be illegal? </div><div><br></div><div>You sure someone hasn't tucked something like </div><div>the DeCSS algorithm, or the RSA algorithm into </div><div>a cookie in your browser, like this? </div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Munitions_T-shirt_(front).jpg" target="_blank">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Munitions_T-shirt_(front).jpg</a></div><div><a href="https://www.cafepress.com/+,954530397?utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=pla-google&utm_campaign=7979505756-d-c&utm_content=83814261273-adid-395151690662&utm_term=pla-1396845372217-pid-954530397&gclid=Cj0KCQjw5JSLBhCxARIsAHgO2SeM10JbFgeus96hEedn0d0m2Kkz6Z91-frlEIUh-3ZD2w89j8EUmCsaAvnAEALw_wcB" target="_blank">https://www.cafepress.com/+,954530397?utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=pla-google&utm_campaign=7979505756-d-c&utm_content=83814261273-adid-395151690662&utm_term=pla-1396845372217-pid-954530397&gclid=Cj0KCQjw5JSLBhCxARIsAHgO2SeM10JbFgeus96hEedn0d0m2Kkz6Z91-frlEIUh-3ZD2w89j8EUmCsaAvnAEALw_wcB</a></div><div><br></div><div>The fact of the matter is, every one of us allows </div><div>third parties to store data on all our devices, all </div><div>the time, and send it back out on the network, </div><div>completely unsupervised by us, even though </div><div>it could contain data which is illegal to cross </div><div>certain arbitrary political boundaries. </div><div><br></div><div>I understand where you're coming from, I really </div><div>do. </div><div><br></div><div>But I don't think people stop and think about just </div><div>how completely that ship has sailed, from a legal </div><div>standpoint. You could have been asked by a random </div><div>website to store code which is illegal to export in a </div><div>cookie which is then offered back up to any other </div><div>website in whatever jurisdiction around the globe </div><div>that asks for it, and you'll be completely unaware </div><div>of it, because we've all gotten past the point of "ask </div><div>me about every cookie" being a workable setting on </div><div>any of our devices.</div><div><br></div><div>Go ahead. Turn off all cookie support on all your devices </div><div>for 24 hours. Don't let any of that third party data in or out </div><div>of your home during that time. </div><div><br></div><div>Let me know how well that turns out. </div><div><br></div><div>Bonus points if you enforce it on your family/spouse/SO/partner </div><div>at the same time, and they're still talking to you at the end of the </div><div>24 hours. ;-P </div><div><br></div><div>Matt</div><div><br></div><div> </div></div></div>
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