<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 11, 2021, at 13:57 , Matthew Walster <<a href="mailto:matthew@walster.org" class="">matthew@walster.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 at 21:05, Matthew Petach <<a href="mailto:mpetach@netflight.com" class="">mpetach@netflight.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">I think it would be absolutely *stunning* for content providers <br class=""></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="">to turn the model on its head; use a bittorrent like model for </div><div class="">caching and serving content out of subscribers homes at </div><div class="">recalcitrant ISPs, so that data doesn't come from outside, </div><div class="">it comes out of the mesh within the eyeball network, with </div><div class="">no clear place for the ISP to stick a $$$ bill to.</div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Ignoring for the moment that P2P is inherently difficult to stream with (you're usually downloading chunks in parallel, and with devices like Smart TVs etc you don't really have the storage to do so anyway) there's also the problem that things like BitTorrent don't know network topology and therefore only really increases the cross-sectional bandwidth required.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>A 4K 2 hour movie is about 40GB. Most modern smart TVs around 32GB of RAM and can probably devote about 20GB of that to buffering a stream, so yeah, that should actually be doable.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>While torrent-like distribution isn’t particularly good for the eyeball provider, it can be good for getting content to eyeballs under some circumstances regardless of how bad it is for said network.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Unfortunately, it’s not good at knowing how bad it’s being for the network and it’s also not good at detecting the circumstances when it’s good for the end user or not.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Not to mention that it has been tried before, and didn't work then either.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Yep.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Owen</div><div><br class=""></div></body></html>