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              <div>On 9/29/21 1:09 PM, Victor Kuarsingh wrote:<br>
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                      2021 at 3:22 PM Owen DeLong <<a
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                                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
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                                    <div dir="ltr">Use SLAAC, allocate
                                      prefixes from both providers. If
                                      you are using multiple routers,
                                      set the priority of the preferred
                                      router to high in the RAs. If
                                      you’re using one router, set the
                                      preferred prefix as desired in the
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                                    <div dir="ltr">Owen</div>
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                                <div>I agree this works, but I assume
                                  that we would not consider this a
                                  consumer level solution (requires an
                                  administrator to make it work).  It
                                  also assumes the local network policy
                                  allows for auto-addressing vs.
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                        It shouldn’t require an administrator if there’s
                        just one router. If there are two routers, I’d
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                    <div>In the consumer world (Where a consumer has no
                      idea who we are, what IP is and the Internet is a
                      wireless thing they attach to). </div>
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                    <div>I am only considering one router (consumer
                      level stuff).  Here is my example:</div>
                    <div>- Mr/Ms/Ze. Smith is a consumer (lawyer) wants
                      to work from home and buy a local cable service
                      and/or DSL service, and/or xPON service</div>
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              <p>Isn't the easier (and cheaper) thing to do here is just
                use a VPN to get behind the corpro firewall? Or as is
                probably happening more and more there is no corpro
                network at all since everything is outsourced on the net
                for smaller companies like your law firm.</p>
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          <div>For shops with IT departments, sure that can make sense. 
            For many mom/pop setups, maybe less likely.  The challenge
            for us (in this industry) is that we need to address not
            just the top use cases, but the long tail as well
            (especially in this new climate of more WFH).</div>
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    <p>The last startup I worked for a customer wanted audit info on our
      corporate network. We didn't have one. We just used various cloud
      based services to get our jobs done and rented cloud based vm's
      for the customer facing services. I would imagine that a mom/pop
      setup would do the same thing these days. Having a corpro network
      in the small probably doesn't make much sense anymore let alone
      the fancy multihoming scenarios to access it. There are security
      implications with all of this, of course, but that's probably the
      path of least resistance. <br>
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    <p>Mike<br>
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