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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/28/21 1:06 PM, Christopher Morrow
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          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 3:02
            PM Randy Bush <<a href="mailto:randy@psg.com"
              moz-do-not-send="true">randy@psg.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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            rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">> Heh, NAT is not that
            evil after all. Do you expect that all the home<br>
            > people will get routable public IPs for all they toys
            inside house?<br>
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            in ipv6 they can.  and it can have consequences, see<br>
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                NATting Else Matters: Evaluating IPv6 Access Control
            Policies in<br>
                Residential Networks; <br>
                Karl Olson, Jack Wampler, Fan Shen, and Nolen Scaife<br>
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                <a
href="https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2F978-3-030-72582-2_22.pdf"
              rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2F978-3-030-72582-2_22.pdf</a><br>
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            the ietf did not give guidance to cpe vendors to protect
            toys inside<br>
            your LAN<br>
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          <div>guidance aside... 'Time To Market' (or "Minimum Viable
            Product - MVP!) is likely to impact all of our security
            'requirements'. :(</div>
          <div>I also thought 'homenet' (<a
              href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/homenet"
              moz-do-not-send="true">https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/homenet</a>)
            was supposed to have provided the </div>
          <div>guidance you seek here?</div>
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    <p>What I wonder is which string the IETF has to push on to get CPE
      vendors to... anything. <br>
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    <p>Anecdotally, I've seen firewall controls on all of the CPE I've
      had and no IPv6 (at least commercially). </p>
    <p>Mike<br>
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