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        Or Virtualmin, in a docker instance per Customer...  (If you are
    in the virtualization business)<br>
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        I think Bryan just don't want to deal with emails since
    ("support costs" + "headaches") > "income" at his volume.<br>
    <br>
        So better find a bulk service IMHO...<br>
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Alain Hebert                                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ahebert@pubnix.net">ahebert@pubnix.net</a>   
PubNIX Inc.        
50 boul. St-Charles
P.O. Box 26770     Beaconsfield, Quebec     H9W 6G7
Tel: 514-990-5911  <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.pubnix.net">http://www.pubnix.net</a>    Fax: 514-990-9443
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/6/21 4:05 PM, Travis Garrison
      wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">Why not migrate them to a cpanel instance?
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        <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Travis<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> NANOG
            <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nanog-bounces+tgarrison=netviscom.com@nanog.org"><nanog-bounces+tgarrison=netviscom.com@nanog.org></a>
            <b>On Behalf Of </b>Steve Saner<br>
            <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 6, 2021 2:27 PM<br>
            <b>To:</b> Bryan Fields <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Bryan@bryanfields.net"><Bryan@bryanfields.net></a><br>
            <b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org">nanog@nanog.org</a><br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: Email and Web Hosting<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">The current platform is a custom
            collection of open source software, smtp, imap, pop,
            webmail. Web hosting is a basic LAMP stack all php 5.2 or
            greater. There is no interest in growing these services.<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 11:02 AM Bryan
              Fields <<a href="mailto:Bryan@bryanfields.net"
                moz-do-not-send="true">Bryan@bryanfields.net</a>>
              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">On 7/6/21 10:41 AM, Steve Saner wrote:<br>
              > I hope this isn't too far off topic for this list.<br>
              > <br>
              > We acquired a small ISP a couple years ago that has
              its roots in the "local<br>
              > ISPs" of the 90s. This ISP is still hosting email and
              web services for<br>
              > customers both on company domains as well as customer
              domains. There is<br>
              > some decent revenue coming from these services, but
              cost of maintenance is<br>
              > becoming a challenge. We are looking at migrating to
              another platform or<br>
              > completely discontinuing those services.<br>
              <br>
              Question, what platform(s) are you running now?  What must
              you provide for<br>
              email, SMTP, IMAP, webmail, groupware, etc?  Do you have
              any intention of<br>
              growing this?<br>
              <br>
              For the websites, what do they need?  Are you running any
              old PHP 3/4 stuff?<br>
              You can setup a control panel, but if you're not running
              one now, and you're<br>
              not going to expand it, why not just cap it until it
              becomes unprofitable?<br>
              <br>
              I'm a proponent of hosting my own email, it's not that
              hard and any ISP should<br>
              be able to do it.<br>
              <br>
              -- <br>
              Bryan Fields<br>
              <br>
              727-409-1194 - Voice<br>
              <a href="http://bryanfields.net" target="_blank"
                moz-do-not-send="true">http://bryanfields.net</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:6.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#CCCCCC">This
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                email messages attached to it may contain confidential
                information. If the reader of this message is not the
                intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible
                for delivering the message to the intended recipient,
                you are hereby notified that any dissemination,
                distribution or copying of this communication is
                strictly prohibited. If you are not or believe you may
                not be the intended recipient, please advise the sender
                immediately by return email or by calling 620.543.5026.
                Then, please take all steps necessary to permanently
                delete the email and all attachments from your computer
                system. No trees were affected by this transmission –
                though a few billion photons were mildly inconvenienced.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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