<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">On the flip-side, what is the penalty for getting Telehealth calls wrong? It could be death.<div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’m gonna go coin “megaband” and the minimum upload is going to be 10,000mbps. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’m not sure there’s a rational objection to any of this. Why should humans spend our lifetimes waiting on machines? </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">640k, that’s all I have to say on the matter.</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 31, 2021, at 6:14 PM, Mike Hammett <<a href="mailto:nanog@ics-il.net" class="">nanog@ics-il.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" class="">How many simultaneous telehealth calls can you be in at a time? In my close family (15 - 20 people), do you know how rare it is to have a medical appointment in the same week as someone else, much less the same exact time, much less the same exact time *and* in the same household?<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">That's the difference between people speaking emotionally and people speaking rationally. Well sure, *everyone* has to care about healthcare, so let's throw healthcare on the list of OMG things. No one is helped by people trying to debate something's merit based on emotions.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Yes, WFH (or e-learning) is much more likely to have simultaneous uses.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Yes, I agree that 3 megs is getting thin for three video streams. Not impossible, but definitely a lot more hairy. So then what about moving the upload definition to 5 megs? 10 megs? 20 megs? Why does it need to be 100 megs?<br class=""><br class=""><div class=""><span name="x" class=""></span><br class=""><br class="">-----<br class="">Mike Hammett<br class="">Intelligent Computing Solutions<br class=""><a href="http://www.ics-il.com/" class="">http://www.ics-il.com</a><br class=""><br class="">Midwest-IX<br class=""><a href="http://www.midwest-ix.com/" class="">http://www.midwest-ix.com</a><span name="x" class=""></span><br class=""></div><br class=""><hr id="zwchr" class=""><div style="font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;" class=""><b class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Owen DeLong" <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" class="">owen@delong.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Mike Hammett" <<a href="mailto:nanog@ics-il.net" class="">nanog@ics-il.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Abhi Devireddy" <<a href="mailto:abhi@devireddy.com" class="">abhi@devireddy.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" class="">nanog@nanog.org</a><br class=""><b class="">Sent:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Monday, May 31, 2021 5:17:36 AM<br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote class=""><div class="">On May 28, 2021, at 06:56 , Mike Hammett <<a href="mailto:nanog@ics-il.net" class="" target="_blank">nanog@ics-il.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="" style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">"Bad connection" measures way more than throughput.<br class=""><br class="">What about WFH or telehealth doesn't work on 25/3?<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>Pretty much everything if you have, say, 3+ people in your house trying to do it at once…</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">A decent Zoom call requires ~750Kbps of upstream bandwidth. When you get two</div><div class="">kids doing remote school and mom and dad each doing $DAYJOB via teleconferences,</div><div class="">that 3Mbps gets spread pretty thin, especially if you’ve got any other significant use</div><div class="">of your upstream connection (e.g. kids posting to Tik Tok, etc.)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Sure, for a single individual, 25/3 might be fine. For a household that has the industry</div><div class="">standard 2.53 people, it might even still work, but barely. Much above that average</div><div class="">and things degrade rapidly and not very gracefully.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><blockquote class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br class=""><div class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""><br class="">-----<br class="">Mike Hammett<br class="">Intelligent Computing Solutions<br class=""><a href="http://www.ics-il.com/" class="" target="_blank">http://www.ics-il.com</a><br class=""><br class="">Midwest-IX<br class=""><a href="http://www.midwest-ix.com/" class="" target="_blank">http://www.midwest-ix.com</a><span class=""></span><br class=""></div><br class=""><hr id="zwchr" class=""><div class="" style="font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Abhi Devireddy" <<a href="mailto:abhi@devireddy.com" class="" target="_blank">abhi@devireddy.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b><a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" class="" target="_blank">nanog@nanog.org</a>, "Jason Canady" <<a href="mailto:jason@unlimitednet.us" class="" target="_blank">jason@unlimitednet.us</a>><br class=""><b class="">Sent:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Friday, May 28, 2021 8:07:34 AM<br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections<br class=""><br class=""><div dir="auto" class="" style="direction: ltr; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">Don't think it needs to change? From 25/3? Telehealth and WFH would like to talk with you.<br class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="" style="direction: ltr; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">There's very few things more draining than a conference call with someone who's got a bad connection.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="" style="direction: ltr; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">Abhi<span id="ms-outlook-android-cursor" class=""></span><br class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="" style="direction: ltr; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><span id="OutlookSignature" class=""><div dir="auto" class="" style="direction: ltr; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">Abhi Devireddy</div></span><br class=""></div><hr class="" style="display: inline-block; width: 811.4375px;"><div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr" class=""><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" class="" style="font-size: 11pt;"><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>NANOG <<a href="mailto:nanog-bounces+abhi=devireddy.com@nanog.org" class="" target="_blank">nanog-bounces+abhi=devireddy.com@nanog.org</a>> on behalf of Jason Canady <<a href="mailto:jason@unlimitednet.us" class="" target="_blank">jason@unlimitednet.us</a>><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, May 28, 2021 7:39:14 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" class="" target="_blank">nanog@nanog.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" class="" target="_blank">nanog@nanog.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections</font><div class=""> </div></div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0px;">I second Mike.</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px;"><br class=""></div><div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">On 5/28/21 8:37 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class=""><div class="" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">I don't think it needs to change.<br class=""><br class=""><div class=""><span class=""></span><br class=""><br class="">-----<br class="">Mike Hammett<br class="">Intelligent Computing Solutions<br class=""><a class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ics-il.com/" target="_blank">http://www.ics-il.com</a><br class=""><br class="">Midwest-IX<br class=""><a class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.midwest-ix.com/" target="_blank">http://www.midwest-ix.com</a><span class=""></span><br class=""></div><br class=""><hr id="x_zwchr" class=""><div class="" style="font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><b class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Sean Donelan"<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sean@donelan.com" target="_blank"><sean@donelan.com></a><br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b><a class="x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" target="_blank">nanog@nanog.org</a><br class=""><b class="">Sent:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Thursday, May 27, 2021 7:29:08 PM<br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>New minimum speed for US broadband connections<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">What should be the new minimum speed for "broadband" in the U.S.?<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">This is the list of past minimum broadband speed definitions by year<br class=""><br class="">year speed<br class=""><br class="">1999 200 kbps in both directions (this was chosen as faster than<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">dialup/ISDN speeds)<br class=""><br class="">2000 200 kbps in at least one direction (changed because too many service<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">providers had 128 kbps upload)<br class=""><br class="">2010 4 mbps down / 1 mbps up<br class=""><br class="">2015 25 Mbps down / 3 Mbps up (wired)<br class=""> 5 Mbps down / 1 Mbps up (wireless)<br class=""><br class="">2021 ??? / ??? (some Senators propose 100/100 mbps)<br class=""><br class="">Not only in major cities, but also rural areas<br class=""><br class="">Note, the official broadband definition only means service providers can't<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">advertise it as "broadband" or qualify for subsidies; not that they must<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">deliver better service.</div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></body></html>