<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I’ve had people cry about how fast the internet is at my office…<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I guess your mileage may vary, but yes humans do notice those kinds of delays and they are cumulative. (It’s not just bandwidth, it’s latency. The 3ms ping in my signature is real too.)</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 1, 2021, at 10:33 AM, Mike Hammett <<a href="mailto:nanog@ics-il.net" class="">nanog@ics-il.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" class=""><div class=""><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;" class="">"Why is 100/100 seen as problematic to the industry players?"</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;" class="">In rural settings, it's low density, so you're spending a bunch of money with a low probability of getting any return. Also, a low probability that the customer cares.</span></font></div><div class=""><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;" class=""><br class=""></span></font></div><div class=""><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;" class="">"</span></font><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">There's an underlying, I think, assumption that people won't use access speed/bandwidth that keeps coming up."</span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">On a 95th% basis, no, they don't use it.</span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">On shorter time spans, sure. Does it really matter, though? If I can put a 100 meg file into Dropbox in under a second versus 10 seconds, does that really matter? If Netflix gets my form submission in 0.01 seconds instead of .1 seconds, does it matter?</span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">I think you'll find few to argue against "faster is better." The argument is at what price? At what perceived benefit?</span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Show me an average end-user that can tell the difference between a 10 meg upload and a 1 gig upload, aside from media-heavy professionals or the one-time full backup of a phone, PC, etc. Okay, show me two of them, ten of them...</span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">99% of the end-users I know can't tell the difference in any amount of speed above 5 megs. It then just either works or doesn't work.</span></div><br class=""><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" class=""><span name="x" class=""></span><br class=""><br class="">-----<br class="">Mike Hammett<br class="">Intelligent Computing Solutions<br class=""><a href="http://www.ics-il.com/" class="">http://www.ics-il.com</a><br class=""><br class="">Midwest-IX<br class=""><a href="http://www.midwest-ix.com/" class="">http://www.midwest-ix.com</a><span name="x" class=""></span><br class=""></div><br class=""><hr id="zwchr" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none;" class=""><b class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Christopher Morrow" <<a href="mailto:morrowc.lists@gmail.com" class="">morrowc.lists@gmail.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Mike Hammett" <<a href="mailto:nanog@ics-il.net" class="">nanog@ics-il.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b><a href="mailto:aaron1@gvtc.com" class="">aaron1@gvtc.com</a>, "nanog list" <<a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" class="">nanog@nanog.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Sent:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tuesday, June 1, 2021 12:14:43 PM<br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections<br class=""><br class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 12:44 PM Mike Hammett <<a href="mailto:nanog@ics-il.net" target="_blank" class="">nanog@ics-il.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=""><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" class="">That is true, but if no one uses it, is it really gone?<br class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There's an underlying, I think, assumption that people won't use access speed/bandwidth that keeps coming up.</div><div class="">I don't think this is an accurate assumption. I don't think it's really ever been accurate.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There are a bunch of examples in this thread of reasons why 'more than X' is a good thing for the end-user, and that average usage over time is a bad metric to use in the discussion. At the very least the ability to get around/out-of serialization delays and microburst behavior is beneficial to the end-user.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Maybe the question that's not asked (but should be) is:<br class=""> "Why is 100/100 seen as problematic to the industry players?"</div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>