<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000'><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">"Why is 100/100 seen as problematic to the industry players?"</span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">In rural settings, it's low density, so you're spending a bunch of money with a low probability of getting any return. Also, a low probability that the customer cares.</span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">"</span></font><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">There's an underlying, I think, assumption that people won't use access speed/bandwidth that keeps coming up."</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">On a 95th% basis, no, they don't use it.</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">On shorter time spans, sure. Does it really matter, though? If I can put a 100 meg file into Dropbox in under a second versus 10 seconds, does that really matter? If Netflix gets my form submission in 0.01 seconds instead of .1 seconds, does it matter?</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">I think you'll find few to argue against "faster is better." The argument is at what price? At what perceived benefit?</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Show me an average end-user that can tell the difference between a 10 meg upload and a 1 gig upload, aside from media-heavy professionals or the one-time full backup of a phone, PC, etc. Okay, show me two of them, ten of them...</span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">99% of the end-users I know can't tell the difference in any amount of speed above 5 megs. It then just either works or doesn't work.</span></div><br><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><span name="x"></span><br><br>-----<br>Mike Hammett<br>Intelligent Computing Solutions<br>http://www.ics-il.com<br><br>Midwest-IX<br>http://www.midwest-ix.com<span name="x"></span><br></div><br><hr id="zwchr" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none;"><b>From: </b>"Christopher Morrow" <morrowc.lists@gmail.com><br><b>To: </b>"Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net><br><b>Cc: </b>aaron1@gvtc.com, "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org><br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, June 1, 2021 12:14:43 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections<br><br><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 12:44 PM Mike Hammett <<a href="mailto:nanog@ics-il.net" target="_blank">nanog@ics-il.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">That is true, but if no one uses it, is it really gone?<br><br><div><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>There's an underlying, I think, assumption that people won't use access speed/bandwidth that keeps coming up.</div><div>I don't think this is an accurate assumption. I don't think it's really ever been accurate.</div><div><br></div><div>There are a bunch of examples in this thread of reasons why 'more than X' is a good thing for the end-user, and that average usage over time is a bad metric to use in the discussion. At the very least the ability to get around/out-of serialization delays and microburst behavior is beneficial to the end-user.</div><div><br></div><div>Maybe the question that's not asked (but should be) is:<br> "Why is 100/100 seen as problematic to the industry players?"</div><div> </div><div><br></div></div></div>
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