<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000'><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Far from a major company, but I run two ISPs, one fixed wireless and one DSL\fiber.</span></font><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">This is my "home" connection. (See attached).</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br></div><div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">Max In: 4.55Mb; Average In: 421.44Kb; Current In: 333.26Kb;</span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">Max Out: 11.16Mb; Average Out: 2.04Mb; Current Out: 1.53Mb;</span></font></div></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">That's a monthly graph of an interface facing the home, so In is upload and Out is download. That's four homes, six adults (five of them under 40), four children, two of which have been e-learning from home most of the year. One of the adults is me, definitely not a normal user. There is a Ring camera in one of the houses. There are a bunch of other cameras, but they're on another VLAN that goes to a local NAS.</span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">People vastly overestimate how much Internet they think they (and others) need.</span></font></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br><br><div><span name="x"></span><br><br>-----<br>Mike Hammett<br>Intelligent Computing Solutions<br>http://www.ics-il.com<br><br>Midwest-IX<br>http://www.midwest-ix.com<span name="x"></span><br></div><br><hr id="zwchr"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Sean Donelan" <sean@donelan.com><br><b>To: </b>"NANOG Operators' Group" <nanog@nanog.org><br><b>Sent: </b>Friday, May 28, 2021 9:00:13 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections<br><br>On Fri, 28 May 2021, Mike Lyon wrote:<br>> since it appears we are arbitrarily pulling random numbers out of our asses<br>> for "minimums?"<br><br>I would love to see an experiment where the CEOs of the major <br>communication companies were forced to use only their "lifeline" products <br>for 30 days, including only their "lifeline" customer service lines.<br><br>Based on the CEOs experience, then we might have some data whether those <br>products are viable for modern households, work-from-home, home-school, <br>streaming.<br><br>One of the problems with the product definitions: the "minimum" is <br>treated as the "maximum" (up to speed). The actual bandwidth delivered is <br>often much less than the advertised "up to" numbers.<br><br>E.g. advertised 25 mbps /3 mbps => actual 7 mbps/768 kbps with data caps<br><br></div><br></div></div></body></html>