<div dir="ltr">There are millions of people that have 0 mbps (or dialup, satellite, etc) and they can't function day to day like everyone else in town.<div><br>Changing the definition of broadband to yet again, to a faster speed will do nothing for these people except slow the pace at which they get connectivity. Why do people "in town" need to go from 25/3 to 100/10 when we really should be focusing on the people with nothing?</div><div><br></div><div>Changing the definition to 100/100 kills every technology except for fiber. Every single cable internet connection suddenly becomes "not internet". Do we really want another AT&T that ends up with all of the primary last mile technology to all the major cities again?<br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div>Josh Luthman<br>24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340<br>Direct: 937-552-2343<br>1100 Wayne St<br>Suite 1337<br>Troy, OH 45373</div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 9:07 AM Chris Adams (IT) <<a href="mailto:Chris.Adams@ung.edu">Chris.Adams@ung.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’d be interested to understand the rationale for not wanting to change the definition. Is it strictly the business/capital outlay expense?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> NANOG <nanog-bounces+chris.adams=<a href="mailto:ung.edu@nanog.org" target="_blank">ung.edu@nanog.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jason Canady<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 28, 2021 8:39 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" target="_blank">nanog@nanog.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>I second Mike.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 5/28/21 8:37 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>Sent: </b>Thursday, May 27, 2021 7:29:08 PM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>New minimum speed for US broadband connections<br>
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What should be the new minimum speed for "broadband" in the U.S.?<br>
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This is the list of past minimum broadband speed definitions by year<br>
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1999 200 kbps in both directions (this was chosen as faster than <br>
dialup/ISDN speeds)<br>
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2000 200 kbps in at least one direction (changed because too many service <br>
providers had 128 kbps upload)<br>
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2010 4 mbps down / 1 mbps up<br>
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2015 25 Mbps down / 3 Mbps up (wired)<br>
5 Mbps down / 1 Mbps up (wireless)<br>
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2021 ??? / ??? (some Senators propose 100/100 mbps)<br>
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Not only in major cities, but also rural areas<br>
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Note, the official broadband definition only means service providers can't <br>
advertise it as "broadband" or qualify for subsidies; not that they must <br>
deliver better service.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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