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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I’d be interested in an objective recap of this thread.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>It seems like we could do a Netflix series for networkers about it. </span><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>😉</span><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Anyone would like to give it a try to summarize the story back from the 80’s till today and explain what is at stake here? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Thanks<br>Jean<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> NANOG <nanog-bounces+jean=ddostest.me@nanog.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Beecher<br><b>Sent:</b> April 26, 2021 9:32 AM<br><b>To:</b> Mel Beckman <mel@beckman.org><br><b>Cc:</b> nanog@nanog.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: DoD IP Space<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal>As long as that IP space was isolated to the .mil network, it was private space, as far as the Internet was concerned.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The DoD allocation of 11/8 predates the concept of 'private network space'.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>11/8 was first assigned to the DoD in RFC 943 in April of 1985. The concept of IPv4 space for private networks was first defined in RFC 1597, March 1994. (Which eventually would become RFC1918. )<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The fact that certain parties decided on their own that space not present in the global routing table was 'fair game' or 'private' doesn't make them correct, it simply makes them ill informed. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 7:18 PM Mel Beckman <<a href="mailto:mel@beckman.org">mel@beckman.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Bill,<br><br>It’s the INTERNET that is civilian, not the IP space. As long as that IP space was isolated to the .mil network, it was private space, as far as the Internet was concerned. Now DoD has moved it into the civilian Internet, and I treat them as potentially malicious as I do any other organization that lies, cheats, and steals the public trust.<br><br> -mel<br><br>> On Apr 24, 2021, at 3:45 PM, William Herrin <<a href="mailto:bill@herrin.us" target="_blank">bill@herrin.us</a>> wrote:<br>> <br>> On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 8:26 AM Mel Beckman <<a href="mailto:mel@beckman.org" target="_blank">mel@beckman.org</a>> wrote:<br>>> This doesn’t sound good, no matter how you slice it. The lack of<br>>> transparency with a civilian resource is troubling at a minimum.<br>> <br>> You do understand that the addresses in question are not and have<br>> never been "civilian." They came into DoD's possession when this was<br>> all still a military project funded by what's now DARPA.<br>> <br>> Personally, I think we may have an all time record for the largest<br>> honeypot ever constructed. I'd love to be a fly on that wall.<br>> <br>> Regards,<br>> Bill Herrin<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> -- <br>> William Herrin<br>> <a href="mailto:bill@herrin.us" target="_blank">bill@herrin.us</a><br>> <a href="https://bill.herrin.us/" target="_blank">https://bill.herrin.us/</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></body></html>