<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 12:20 PM Mike McGurty <<a href="mailto:McGurtyM@ae.com">McGurtyM@ae.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">I believe we were recently quoted a price of like $900/month (between cross-connect and monthly charge) for 10Mb OpenGear OOB access in a large Canadian Data Center. We passed. While I don’t disagree, you
have to pay for these services. The cost far exceeds the value for what is provided in many cases.</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I have often been pleasantly surprised by how often I can open a laptop in a colo, see a list of SSIDs, figure out from the name who runs it, and ask nicely if I can please attach an AP(/station) and OOB widget to their network. I've basically always got the response of "Sure, as long as you are only using it for OOB and don't try route traffic over it, no worries....". Often the reply also includes a "... and, could we do the same? You stand up an AP and we'll tunnel OOB through it".</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Yes, many colo's frown upon/"ban" Wifi, but what they don't notice doesn't hurt them... The Internet used to be built on people helping each other out - let's see if we can recreate that....</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">W</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="gmail-m_1342217403508467689WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Michael<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From: </span></b><span style="color:black">NANOG <nanog-bounces+mcgurtym=<a href="mailto:ae.com@nanog.org" target="_blank">ae.com@nanog.org</a>> on behalf of "<a href="mailto:jstalder@ieee.org" target="_blank">jstalder@ieee.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:jstalder@ieee.org" target="_blank">jstalder@ieee.org</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, April 16, 2021 at 12:03 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>'Matthew Crocker' <<a href="mailto:matthew@corp.crocker.com" target="_blank">matthew@corp.crocker.com</a>>, 'NANOG' <<a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" target="_blank">nanog@nanog.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[EXTERNAL_MESSAGE] RE: OOB management options @ 60 Hudson & 1 Summer<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Ha! “Surprised”? Well, offering OOB for a reasonable price could be a differentiator for the savvy colo providers, but bean counters say: “Huh? If customer X wants OOB, they can pay ~$300/mo
for a cross-connect”. ~$300/mo might seem an exaggeration, but not for some of us. Even ~$150/mo is ridiculous.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">If 4G-ish mobile service won’t work, expect to pay. ;-(</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">-Joel</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt"> NANOG <nanog-bounces+jstalder=<a href="mailto:ieee.org@nanog.org" target="_blank">ieee.org@nanog.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Matthew Crocker<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 15, 2021 3:15 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> NANOG <<a href="mailto:nanog@nanog.org" target="_blank">nanog@nanog.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> OOB management options @ 60 Hudson & 1 Summer</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">I have routers in both 60 Hudson St & 1 Summer St and I’m looking for some low cost bandwidth options for out of band management. Currently I have Opengear boxes at each site with cell modems but they don’t
work too well. I either need to replace them with new cell based devices or find a wireless/ethernet bandwidth option. I only need a couple serial ports and ethernet for when everything breaks.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">I’m in DR space @ 60 Hudson and the Markeley MMR @ 1 Summer</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">I’m surprised OOB bandwidth isn’t a feature for colocation providers.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Thanks</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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