<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000'>I would love to have HTTP GUI that just does all of the dirty work. However, a sufficient number of people affiliated with that organization do indeed need to be able to CLI their way through the troubleshooting process for when the HTTP GUI inevitably fails (everything inevitably fails).<br><br><div><span name="x"></span><br><br>-----<br>Mike Hammett<br>Intelligent Computing Solutions<br>http://www.ics-il.com<br><br>Midwest-IX<br>http://www.midwest-ix.com<span name="x"></span><br></div><br><hr id="zwchr"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuhnke@gmail.com><br><b>To: </b>"David Siegel" <arizonagull@gmail.com>, "nanog@nanog.org list" <nanog@nanog.org><br><b>Sent: </b>Saturday, March 20, 2021 8:45:38 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: Perhaps it's time to think about enhancements to the NANOG list...?<br><br><div dir="ltr"><div>It's one thing to use a GUI tool when it's convenient and quick. I think anyone that's ever experienced setting up a Unifi controller would probably prefer provisioning a new 802.11ac AP from the GUI rather than doing it manually at a command line. <br></div><div><br></div><div>But it's another thing to consider that we have a whole new generation of people who <i>don't know and don't care</i> what's going underneath the GUI and might not be able to do anything with the OS running on bare metal, if they have to. <br></div><div><br></div><div>If we intend to abstract away configuring devices to a GUI level only and not care about what's going on under the hood, then it's time for everyone to just run out and renew their MCSE certifications and buy Meraki subscriptions.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 6:35 PM David Siegel <<a href="mailto:arizonagull@gmail.com" target="_blank">arizonagull@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>...not to mention that all mature networks are moving more towards GUI front ends for their automated network. As the complexity of a network increases, CLI access becomes considerably more risky.<div><div><br></div><div>The idea that "real engineers use the CLI" is dinosaur thinking that will eventually land those with that philosophy out of a job. Just my personal $.02 (though I'm certainly not alone in my opinion).</div><div><br></div><div>But I'd like to reiterate that the board's goal with modernization is not to alienate anyone from the existing community by forcing them into a web-interface. Discourse is under evaluation, and if it doesn't accomplish the goal we'll try something else or build our own tool.</div><div><br></div><div>Dave</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 6:52 PM Matthew Petach <<a href="mailto:mpetach@netflight.com" target="_blank">mpetach@netflight.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 5:13 PM scott <<a href="mailto:surfer@mauigateway.com" target="_blank">surfer@mauigateway.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div>[...] </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> Of course, one would <br>
not find an HTTP GUI on the bigger networks dealt with on this list; <br>
only on the tiny networks. So they're beginning learners and are, of <br>
course, welcome. They will lean a lot, just as I did in the early days <br>
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scott<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Let's see...</div><div>Google: Gmail</div><div>Microsoft: Hotmail/Outlook/Office365</div><div>Yahoo/VerizonMedia: Yahoo Mail</div><div><br></div><div>I'd have to say, there's some pretty big networks on this list that </div><div>use HTTP GUIs for their email.</div><div><br></div><div>Of course, you might be big enough that you look down on the </div><div>networks of Google, Microsoft, and VZM as "tiny networks" -- in </div><div>which case, you're definitely entitled to your opinion, as all 8000</div><div>pound gorillas that look down on the puny 800 lb gorillas are. ;)</div><div><br></div><div>Matt</div><div> </div></div></div>
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